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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here and James coming in from West us in

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New York and welcome to UFO news network

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Sunday on a Wednesday night we are able

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to make exceptions for exceptional shows

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and dig into our normal work week

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but tonight that we've got both John

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Burroughs and Grant Cameron with us John

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welcome back thanks for coming on board

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again John thanks for having me what a

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work right away sorry okay and I grant I

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know you're still basking in the glow of

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your jet 7 to 1 victory Sunday against

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my Flyers I thought I was watching a

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football game the Jets put 7up on the

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board that's too bad I feel sorry for

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you yeah yeah I know I know it's a long

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season and it's only one game that's

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right

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grant thanks for coming on back and yeah

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let's say let's get down to it John had

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mentioned that they wanted to do

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something like this a while back and had

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talked about misconceptions regarding

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Rendell ships elitsa I get that out of

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the way pretty quick a couple that I'm

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familiar with obviously yeah one is the

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lighthouse that seems to be accepted as

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the definitive explanation for the whole

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thing obviously none of us think that's

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the case John you want to knock that one

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down real quick for us well all I'm

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going to say about the lighthouse is is

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that was the cover early on and it's

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been pretty much discredited other than

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believe it or not based on the

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technology that was being tested and

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worked on in the area the lighthouse

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itself may have played a factor in it

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because it was being used actually to

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transmit ian's frequencies from the

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lighthouse itself with equipment and the

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funny thing about it is is over the

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years all these these testing all this

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stuff with him Hale turned everything

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else that's been going on is slowly

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being Declassified and if you really

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look at the meat and potatoes of all

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these documents it's pretty scary what

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we were doing 4050 years ago so you can

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or what can be taken place today and

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second one that I see quite a bit is

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seems like a number of people were

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inclined to be very interested or they

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are very interested in the UFO topic in

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general are a little bit turned off the

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Rendlesham because a Larry Warren and

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his involvement and some of the

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escapades he's gotten involved involved

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with subsequently rabat regarding a

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memorabilia and so on and so forth

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you've been writing a little bit about

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that Larry recently and I wanted to

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bring us up to date on where all that is

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it he's going to be in a documentary

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coming up soon capable green so his name

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is going to be back in the news so why

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don't you give us where you're at on

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Larry Warren and his involvement well

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okay listen I mean unless you know the

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history Rendlesham you won't understand

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Larry Warren he was the first one to

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come out basically that was stationed

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over there during the times of the event

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they he heard about some investigations

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investigators so he was the first one to

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come forward he eventually wrote a book

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with Peter Robbins most of his stuff in

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his book has been proven not factual or

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misleading to including the fact that

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honestly in his old book he states he

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was returning from Germany and a knight

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halt and the group went out into the

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forest on the third night but ultimately

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what's happened over the years because

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it is a big big mess within what people

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simply that Larry Warren has been one of

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those whipping boys that halts was

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always used Colonel Hall saw is used

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because he can always go after Warren

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and keep everything so jumbled and

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arguing in the arguments going on and

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stuff the most people like you said get

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tired of it so it's a it's a case it

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happened three nights for sure there

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might have been a fortnight or some

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strange stuff went on that happened over

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1980 and yeah I can understand what

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people can get tired of it because I

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don't think we'll ever get an answer

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because the reason is is they don't want

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people to know what really happened

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got it and a grant is still your I know

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I you're working a lot on the the expiry

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Aryans are into things John's involved

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in that but what what's been coming on

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what's come up since you last been on

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kicked off our show back in April update

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us on that that end of things I know

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that that is your primary focus in terms

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of a your current research

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yamo the latest rabbit whole lot gotten

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into is the whole a port phenomena and I

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have an idea that there's something

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wrong with the metals with the this

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whole new story of the metals their

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reason to great not that not to

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interrupt but they're very quickly when

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you first drop that word a port I didn't

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know what it what it was I I do now from

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talking to Ray Hernandez but there won't

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you explain to the folks of what in a

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port is well Anna port is like what's

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happening at skinwalker ranch so you

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know they've turned it into sort of like

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this real sort of negative thing the

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woman comes home she buys the groceries

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but the groceries on the counter goes

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into another room it take takes all the

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groceries up goes in another room comes

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back the groceries are all back in the

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bag she goes has a shower it locks the

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brush no doll or missing brush ends up

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about the Bulls what's where's the you

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know I hope they don't touch my bulls he

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goes running out the Bulls are missing

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out of the corral then he finds him in

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this trailer that's that's all locked up

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and he's digging a hole and then he

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takes a just wipes his brow and suddenly

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the whole digger is gone he finds it a

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accord of something that's been moved

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materialization things so if you look at

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the original s RI stuff and I actually

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went to hell and asked how about this

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these this metal stuff I'm thinking all

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the mint pieces of metals are all

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different like what's going on here and

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across the galaxy and then start falling

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apart and people at pieces are falling

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funding proposal it was done you'll see

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this stuff and that's where you here

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walls and this kind of stuff this is

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very very powerful stuff and that's what

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very very bizarre stuff and it seems to

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the the whole thing with the skinwalker

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say do you have any weird stuff that

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the original stuff with with the SSRI

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the fort in the desert or whatever

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very bizarre story and this is an aport

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story that held knew about in the early

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days where edgar Mitchell's their hell

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put off is there and they go out to

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lunch with Uri Geller and your yellers

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eating the ice cream and suddenly he

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bites down and he cuts his lip on this

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piece of metal he pulls a piece of metal

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what the heck and he looks at he said

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and and he's going like you're in there

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bringing to Houston where the heck did

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this pin come from and then later on the

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day I think the same day they're in the

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lab and they hear this tink behind them

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and they're looking and and you're

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Geller's in another room and the other

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behind them and then another piece and

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the the part where the PK thing where

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they wanted this funded as well so it

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awful stuff if you can make people go

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stuff this is very very powerful stuff

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unique to skinwalker ranch if you talk

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to almost any experience here and ask

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them if you ever had this happen they

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this bizarre story about feathers and I

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actually got involved we got involved

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conference with a feather it was that it

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was the most bizarre thing when it's one

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another thing when you're part of the

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story and it actually happens to you I

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work one of the things that they were

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looking at was actually to be able to

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have a psychics target so vien at that

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point military electronics and be able

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to mess with them at a distance that was

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that was part of what they were looking

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at least hoping to try to do yeah that's

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where they had Swann where they had that

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that was a photon detector or some and

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a big detector below the floor and they

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said we're gonna give you this test that

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that's foolproof that you can't you

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can't fake it because everybody kept

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saying that Swann was faking the stuff

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and stuff I got and and they tell the

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story about he said okay make that make

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whatever it's detecting and has a

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certain signal and he said well let me

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look at it and as soon as he looked at

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it almost like the dual slit experiment

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Susie looked at it the the signal

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changed and and they told the story that

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the two PhDs they were running the

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experiment went running out of the lab

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they figured something was wrong with

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the equipment and the guy ran into a

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pole he actually ran into the hall I'm

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so upset by what had happened and that

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helped put off said that the Navy had

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actually come to them and it was like

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they were gonna lose their funding it

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was a Navy that it funded this thing and

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they were gonna lose their funding

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because you can't even control this this

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program like what the heck's going on

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with this experiment and so that kind of

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stuff it is is scary where you heard the

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Russians were able to you know walk into

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a these stories about them walking into

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a bank and and sort of hypnotizing the

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person and make him do this or you know

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the the whole thing with the goats you

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know can you make a goat's heart stop

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and this kind of stuff that was the real

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scary part is this PK thing and you see

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the original funding proposal it was put

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out by SR I

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it talks about this quite a bit this is

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part of the original funding and they

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didn't do that much with it they did

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most of their own doing but that's where

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the skinwalker ranch and that's the

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important thing

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there's a lot of evidence there's a lot

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of this material that that's around all

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over the place and so I've been

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gathering all this material together and

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talking to various people about their

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experiences James go ahead so you think

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that all these pieces like the

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metamaterial pieces that T TSA and

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everybody's study you think that's how

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do you think that's gonna turn out well

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I think that it's it's a it's one it's a

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dead end because basically they're going

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to it's almost like the the videos it's

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like you're gonna look at the videos and

321
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you say there's no way we had this that

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some weird is going on that's about as

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far as you can go so I've already heard

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you've heard the jock valet talk about

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it and it's this whole thing where you

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know some of the the isotopes are

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missing some are a hundred percent out

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these kind of things were they're gonna

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show like there's no way we could create

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this kind of stuff but that's the end of

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the story and then you skeptics will

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come and say well it's a blackops

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program that's doing this in outer space

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or this sort of stuff so it's going to

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prove yes that this is unique material

336
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we basically couldn't get this in fact

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the bobwhite piece that was in 1985

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where bob white this guy was going to

339
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Las Vegas this piece this is this UFO

340
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they shine a light at it and he shoots

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this medal out at them and he picks it

342
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up it's been done by needs did the piece

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it was done by Los Alamos you spent 13

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year and now TT TSA has the piece it has

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this all these bizarre characteristics

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in in this piece but basically just

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tells you yeah something weird is going

348
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on but in terms of telling you where are

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they from what are they doing my problem

350
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with it when I first saw this stuff I

351
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saw and the only one that looks like it

352
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may come off a ship is this is this met

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this arts parts piece this layer 27

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layers or whatever it is piece that

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looks like it comes off a ship but if

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you look at all the other metal and I've

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seen a lot I've actually got three

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pieces myself when you look at all the

359
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other metal it looks like some blob of

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metal that yeah you know it's all it

361
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doesn't it doesn't seem to be coming off

362
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a craft and so if it's if it's not

363
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coming off a craft then you have to look

364
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at the other possibilities what really

365
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is going on why is why are these things

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shooting up metal because if you

367
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there's a lot of these cases Brazil

368
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either actually started with Morrie

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Island three days before Kenneth Arnold

370
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is three UFOs or six UFOs whatever it

371
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was and the ones in trouble and all

372
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sudden it explodes all these pieces of

373
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metal are raining down and that kills

374
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this dog and the guy breaks his arm and

375
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all this metal gets picked up at the US

376
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Air Force and they fly it out and crash

377
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the plane and the big first conspiracy

378
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story starts this this kind of stuff was

379
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going on before Kenneth Arnold and it's

380
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been going on all the way through and I

381
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think even John referenced the fact that

382
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Hulk said these dripping metals where I

383
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I got Chris Bledsoe contacted me and

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said you know it's not just ejected

385
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metals is dripping metals and I got

386
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these photographs of this met this or

387
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you know the orb is flying along I think

388
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it 11 feet off the ground wetter and

389
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dripping this metal onto the driveway

390
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they scraped up this metal and

391
00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:09,080
apparently halted been talking about

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this that this this is sort of a common

393
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characteristic so is is it a UFO that's

394
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in trouble that's sort of shooting up

395
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metal to save itself or something else

396
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going on and I just I just saw that

397
00:15:23,860 --> 00:15:21,470
almost every single piece is different

398
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they're very very weird we picked up one

399
00:15:27,329 --> 00:15:25,550
at the University of Arizona we just ran

400
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into this it was in we're looking at

401
00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:29,900
James McDonald's files and we found this

402
00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:32,510
file on this piece of metal from 1939

403
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and it looks like a like a sort of a

404
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:39,020
dart and with this big sort of bubbly

405
00:15:43,930 --> 00:15:42,320
head on it and it's 99% nickel which at

406
00:15:45,790 --> 00:15:43,940
that time the nickel people said there's

407
00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:45,800
no way we create anything that 99

408
00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:49,130
percent nickel in 1967 James McDonald

409
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:50,210
didn't know what it was it was just this

410
00:15:54,070 --> 00:15:51,680
bizarre thing that the woman had been

411
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given by her father happened in 1939 and

412
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in 1967 they at NASA had opened a lab

413
00:16:03,220 --> 00:16:00,380
because of the space program in tech in

414
00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:03,230
Tucson this woman lived in Tucson so she

415
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took it to the lab to say maybe you can

416
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:06,800
tell me what this thing is that I then

417
00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:09,290
my father gave me from 1939 now we know

418
00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:10,490
this metal is all over the place jack

419
00:16:14,020 --> 00:16:12,380
valet said all this stuff's all over the

420
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:14,030
place and he's going to the to look at

421
00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:16,160
it and he's going to find out that a lot

422
00:16:21,370 --> 00:16:18,620
of this stuff is very very bizarre but

423
00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:21,380
in terms of determining what's really

424
00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:23,720
going on I still maintain that it's not

425
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:26,150
until you talk to the experiencers that

426
00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:27,410
you can actually figure out what's going

427
00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:29,390
on that it's sort of a dead-end road it

428
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:31,430
tells you yes something very bizarre is

429
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:33,050
happening is probably not made on

430
00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:34,610
sir but that's as far as you're gonna go

431
00:16:40,570 --> 00:16:37,250
with it John News's come out that

432
00:16:43,890 --> 00:16:40,580
there's a possible claim from T TSA that

433
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:43,900
they're holding one of these unusual

434
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:47,600
metal pieces from Rendlesham do you have

435
00:16:54,010 --> 00:16:51,920
anything for us on that okay they've got

436
00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:54,020
one and there was one this was about a

437
00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:55,870
month ago when I talked to him they had

438
00:17:00,820 --> 00:16:58,850
some kind of material that they already

439
00:17:03,130 --> 00:17:00,830
had and they had s'more on the way that

440
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:03,140
was being sent to him but they're very

441
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:07,760
close to the best on exactly where who

442
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,600
why other than they did say that which

443
00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:13,520
is kind of what came out today I guess

444
00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:16,190
with the conference call or something

445
00:17:19,780 --> 00:17:17,930
and that was briefly reading before we

446
00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:19,790
came on the air where they don't have

447
00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:23,209
enough funding and they the funding they

448
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,750
needed was the lab and the as far as the

449
00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:28,880
equipment to test some of this stuff and

450
00:17:34,090 --> 00:17:30,950
the last I had heard they're heading got

451
00:17:35,770 --> 00:17:34,100
to the isotope part of it yet so yeah

452
00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:35,780
they have something but they're being

453
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:38,060
very close to the vest on what it is so

454
00:17:42,730 --> 00:17:39,770
it's up in the air as to whether or not

455
00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:42,740
it was material picked up by you know

456
00:17:47,770 --> 00:17:44,630
your Air Force guys your colleagues of

457
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:47,780
the Air Force or maybe somebody a local

458
00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:49,730
who would stop war or something and

459
00:17:54,130 --> 00:17:52,370
picked it up after the fact well the the

460
00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:54,140
the one there was a piece of material

461
00:17:59,710 --> 00:17:56,050
that was brought by an airforce

462
00:18:02,470 --> 00:17:59,720
Colonel's wife to a researcher in the UK

463
00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:02,480
by the Iranian Dugdale that was given to

464
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:04,190
him and he passed it on to some other

465
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:06,890
people there was a piece of metal or

466
00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:09,890
material that he got his hands on they

467
00:18:14,830 --> 00:18:12,470
also did come in right after the event

468
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:14,840
and go into the forest and they

469
00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:16,850
supposedly took samples and did a bunch

470
00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:19,460
of stuff and that was shipped out so I

471
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:21,950
mean it could be from somebody living

472
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:23,690
over there it could be that piece of

473
00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:26,210
metal or whatever it is material that

474
00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:28,700
was pastor Ronnie it could be the stuff

475
00:18:34,270 --> 00:18:31,370
that you know that was recovered from

476
00:18:36,910 --> 00:18:34,280
the site way back and stored I would say

477
00:18:39,490 --> 00:18:36,920
that you know without knowing what they

478
00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:39,500
got if this is really going on as

479
00:18:42,910 --> 00:18:41,150
they're claiming it is they would have

480
00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:42,920
to have some access to some of that

481
00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:45,590
stuff right there we you know this was

482
00:18:48,830 --> 00:18:46,470
actually take

483
00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:48,840
get his evidence and tagged and held you

484
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:52,830
know in the chain of custody since we're

485
00:18:59,870 --> 00:18:57,450
talking about the TTS a you know Louis

486
00:19:01,010 --> 00:18:59,880
Elizondo mentioned a debrief for some of

487
00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:01,020
the Rendell's from guys is there

488
00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:02,760
anything about that they can talk about

489
00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:07,500
that well here's my problem with this

490
00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:10,380
whole organization you meet with them

491
00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:12,299
you talk to them and they tell you

492
00:19:15,649 --> 00:19:13,710
they're not gonna talk about something

493
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:15,659
or don't talk about it and the next

494
00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:18,090
thing you know the next day or a week

495
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:20,370
later you're reading something you know

496
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:23,760
on Facebook or a posting on DeLong's

497
00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:26,370
page or whatever is piecemeal it's

498
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:27,900
throwing out their eye

499
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,850
you know you'd have to ask him what he

500
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:31,919
meant by a debrief have I talked to him

501
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,770
yes did he come and meet with me here in

502
00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:37,080
Illinois yes did we sit down and we go

503
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:39,900
over a bunch of stuff yes is most of the

504
00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:41,610
stuff he went over with me can I talk

505
00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:43,710
about no because I gave my word I

506
00:19:48,409 --> 00:19:45,990
wouldn't does it some of the stuff that

507
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,419
he presented to me help explain some of

508
00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:50,880
this yes are they planning on putting it

509
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,030
out god only knows I understand it could

510
00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:55,679
happen sometime around the first of the

511
00:19:59,419 --> 00:19:57,720
year from you know sometime in February

512
00:20:00,380 --> 00:19:59,429
through the end of March were and

513
00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:00,390
there's supposed to be another big

514
00:20:04,399 --> 00:20:02,700
release including some documentaries

515
00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:04,409
that are coming out so some of this

516
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:06,900
could come out but I kind of honor my

517
00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:09,360
commitment and when I'm told something

518
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,100
and I'm asked not to talk about it I

519
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:13,200
don't but it's kind of like the DNA

520
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:15,210
stuff I was told that was never gonna

521
00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:17,490
come out and bam it's in Annie Jacobs's

522
00:20:23,659 --> 00:20:20,070
book do you know I mean you got no one

523
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,669
leaving TTS ATT sa saying he's not going

524
00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:24,960
to be involved in much and now he's

525
00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:27,419
going on a speaking tour so you tell me

526
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,270
as you know Tom basically went after me

527
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:40,559
at one point that you know I'm sort of

528
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:41,730
messing things up and they've got to

529
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:43,620
clean up after me and stuff and the way

530
00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:46,020
I see it is it's a it's for Tom a lot a

531
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:47,400
lot of it is like a money game like

532
00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:48,690
there there you've got these

533
00:20:52,399 --> 00:20:51,240
documentaries and it's like so they're

534
00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:52,409
playing the game

535
00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:54,809
I got we got will tell you one three

536
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,100
five seven nine and immediately

537
00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:57,360
everybody goes well what's two four six

538
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,890
eight ten and they said well we can't

539
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:00,000
tell you and there

540
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:02,850
this game of dropping little bits and

541
00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:05,310
pieces of it to hype the story and then

542
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:06,840
they get upset when people are guessing

543
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:08,580
what do you expect for people to guess

544
00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:12,450
you don't have one thing and they said

545
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:15,150
in there there there I guess the board

546
00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:16,770
meeting today was that they want to put

547
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:18,990
out more complete information and you

548
00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:20,010
know starting next year

549
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:22,560
go ahead god yeah yeah then that's what

550
00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:23,820
exactly what they're not doing and I can

551
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:25,560
see that they want to hype it they they

552
00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:27,210
want to build up the thing where you

553
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:28,950
know this documentary is coming and it's

554
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:30,330
going to have exclusive stuff and we

555
00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:31,530
can't talk about it and stuff like that

556
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:33,720
but then to sort of as John points I

557
00:21:36,650 --> 00:21:34,890
would sort of drop this kind of stuff

558
00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:36,660
and then of course I get pieces because

559
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:38,100
when I heard the rental when there's a

560
00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:39,570
rentals for peace I'm like what the heck

561
00:21:43,550 --> 00:21:41,640
is it really got me interested because

562
00:21:45,650 --> 00:21:43,560
the biggest case that happened where I'm

563
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,660
from is the Steve Michalek case which

564
00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:48,000
happened in 1967 and that was the one

565
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:49,740
where the UFO lands on this big huge

566
00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:52,290
rock this guy's a prospector the door is

567
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:53,790
open he puts his head in this thing and

568
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:55,020
he's yelling in there he thinks it's

569
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:56,460
Americans come on out guys

570
00:22:02,330 --> 00:21:59,100
he thinks it's a secret space program

571
00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:02,340
and he can speak Russian and polish and

572
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,390
he's answered all these different

573
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:05,280
languages and the door shuts and the

574
00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:07,620
thing the thing sort of starts to spin

575
00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:09,780
he gets hit with this this sort of event

576
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,990
goes by and he's sure it starts on fire

577
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:15,240
he has this burning pattern it becomes a

578
00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:17,730
very famous case that project that's

579
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,680
also known as the Falcon Lake cases it's

580
00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:21,360
not bulking like yeah having alcohol can

581
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:23,040
late so that's a very famous case and

582
00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:24,930
then you find out that there was metal

583
00:22:30,530 --> 00:22:27,630
at that site in the cracks in the rock

584
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:30,540
is this bizarre pure silver metal these

585
00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:32,610
pieces of metal and so when I heard the

586
00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:34,830
Rendlesham forest I go they even made me

587
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:36,660
think even more that something different

588
00:22:40,670 --> 00:22:38,370
than then crafts that are falling apart

589
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:40,680
is going on it's almost like the old

590
00:22:45,050 --> 00:22:43,500
days remember the Stanton would always

591
00:22:47,030 --> 00:22:45,060
say oh we got this physical evidence we

592
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:47,040
got 4,000 trace cases they land and they

593
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:48,570
look at Renison forest and I leave the

594
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:50,190
pod marks and they all this kind of

595
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:52,380
stuff that hasn't happened for 20 years

596
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,120
and it's almost like it's almost you

597
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:56,220
start to think are they doing something

598
00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:58,140
different or did they have trouble at

599
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,700
Rendell's from forests or in these major

600
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:02,220
cases like the Falcon Lake case or

601
00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:04,380
Rendlesham you start see these cases and

602
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:05,790
when you go and ask where's their metal

603
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:07,980
you find out all the time yeah there was

604
00:23:10,940 --> 00:23:09,330
pieces of metal there too almost like

605
00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:10,950
the Isley they have the landing trace

606
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:12,420
they leave the line trace and then they

607
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:13,710
leave the metal and it's all

608
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:15,210
like a little breadcrumb that they want

609
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:17,370
you to look at and make you scratch your

610
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:19,350
head and make you just go to the next

611
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:20,730
thing because if they want to disclose

612
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:22,710
like the government the beings whoever

613
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:24,510
they are could actually tell us what's

614
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,559
going on but they're using this little

615
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:27,120
breadcrumb thing where they're dropping

616
00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:28,169
these little things and making us think

617
00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:31,169
and and it's a big mystery so to the

618
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:33,270
Stars I can't blame them because Tom

619
00:23:38,419 --> 00:23:35,340
DeLonge is not a researcher guy he's a

620
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,429
storyteller a guy who sees money in

621
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:40,440
telling stories and he wants to control

622
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,750
all the stories and so he's hyping it

623
00:23:47,419 --> 00:23:45,360
and trying to he's wants to sell movies

624
00:23:49,639 --> 00:23:47,429
and books and stuff like that and so

625
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,649
that's his game but for people like John

626
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:52,020
and I where we were up close to an

627
00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:54,059
object we saw it I don't give a how

628
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:55,529
much money people make whether all I

629
00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:57,210
want to know is what did I see and when

630
00:24:00,200 --> 00:23:58,740
I hear a little story about somebody's

631
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,210
got a little piece of metal or something

632
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:03,059
I start to dig because I figure you got

633
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:04,320
to go to the people who've got the

634
00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:06,090
information and then people get upset

635
00:24:08,779 --> 00:24:07,320
because they leak little bits and pieces

636
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:08,789
and then they get upset because you get

637
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,710
it wrong well too bad I'm doing the best

638
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:11,600
I can

639
00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:13,710
people are going to guess and sometimes

640
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:15,390
they're going to guess right that's just

641
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:17,130
the way it goes there's only only so

642
00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:18,320
many possibilities

643
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:23,549
exactly and you guys granted John you

644
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:26,100
guys have turned up some really good

645
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:29,450
information last year some you know

646
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:32,220
especially you know with the the DNA

647
00:24:36,919 --> 00:24:35,880
stuff and yeah the experience or study

648
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,929
yet you know I don't even know how you

649
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,760
came across that to begin with but I

650
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:41,520
mean that's that leads to a whole whole

651
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,630
other areas like join made the point the

652
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,980
experience of study they've been leaking

653
00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:48,600
this thing all over the place I mean

654
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,429
they they went to John they date they

655
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:52,320
talked to John about it then they went

656
00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:54,210
to Annie Jacobson then there was this

657
00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:56,070
Ryan Dube guy tells the story most

658
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:57,750
people doing a lot when he was contacted

659
00:25:02,269 --> 00:25:00,059
by kit green and kid actually flew to

660
00:25:04,639 --> 00:25:02,279
Maine and talked to him for an hour

661
00:25:06,889 --> 00:25:04,649
about this whole program with the DNA

662
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:06,899
and the antenna and all that stuff and

663
00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:08,820
Ryan was very skeptical he thought he

664
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:11,100
was being set up and so you get these

665
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,659
guys than to me either you keep it

666
00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:14,850
secret or you put it out now I can I

667
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,190
think I've heard some stories that like

668
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,220
Jacque Malay and Nolan want this in the

669
00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:23,039
open that they they want the true story

670
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,230
told and if that's true well fantastic

671
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:27,480
but the game thing I mean

672
00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:29,100
if you want to play the game of Secrets

673
00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:30,540
that's why I always say I know some

674
00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:33,270
people who that have some really top

675
00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:34,950
secret stuff and I made a mistake we're

676
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,540
getting sworn in to secrecy about it and

677
00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:38,220
I say what difference does it make if

678
00:25:43,550 --> 00:25:41,220
John and I and and James and and Frank

679
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,560
if we all discover it and we don't tell

680
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:45,360
anybody what does that help the world

681
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:47,250
that's a total waste of time no see I

682
00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:49,530
was the one I had I got some very

683
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:51,420
high-level stuff too one of the T TSA

684
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:53,010
people told me years ago that I knew I

685
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:54,090
knew some of these people for a long

686
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:56,250
time and and then he got upset because I

687
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,720
started to talk about it and I called

688
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,000
them mj-12 to like what dipper you had

689
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:02,700
12 guys that ran mj-12 originally and

690
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:04,650
they never told anybody so they knew and

691
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:07,110
they these guys are at some point like

692
00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:10,770
mj-12 2.0 they're guys like they hunt

693
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,990
wild game animals and it's like the only

694
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:14,340
people that are ever gonna see what

695
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,750
they've got and so they've got some good

696
00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:17,880
material from what I've seen and they're

697
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:19,800
never going to give it there it's a

698
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:21,690
personal interest thing like this Avery

699
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:23,370
where they they've got classified they

700
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,890
had some aspect they got involved at

701
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:27,600
some point in UFO phenomena or the

702
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:29,250
paranormal phenomena and they were on a

703
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:30,810
study and now they're trying to figure

704
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:31,770
it out and they're talking to other

705
00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:33,390
classified people and then they have

706
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:35,460
this cosmic club or whatever they want

707
00:26:38,270 --> 00:26:36,810
to call themselves and they talk

708
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:38,280
privately among themselves but they're

709
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:39,630
never it's the same as the government

710
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:40,740
they're never going to tell you what's

711
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:42,420
going on it's just a game to them you're

712
00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:43,770
trying to figure it out for themselves

713
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:46,590
uh everything I get as much as I can I

714
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:47,730
just put it out because it doesn't

715
00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:49,590
really help me to have a secret and to

716
00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:51,390
know stuff unless somebody else knows it

717
00:26:54,650 --> 00:26:52,680
though that's the whole point of doing

718
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,660
the research is to get it out to the

719
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,120
people well great let's go back a couple

720
00:27:02,780 --> 00:26:59,220
of these things okay if you look at how

721
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,790
put off and if you if you really I a few

722
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:05,100
years ago when I first met him I always

723
00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:06,900
like to look at the people that are

724
00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:09,630
contacting me it's unbelievable the

725
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:11,550
agencies the work and the different

726
00:27:16,550 --> 00:27:14,490
fields he's been in and across the board

727
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:16,560
and religion Scientology and all this

728
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:19,050
other stuff so and then when I visited

729
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,590
him he has an office that unbelievable

730
00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:25,020
library of all this stuff unbelievable

731
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:27,150
and everything that comes out he buys

732
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:30,330
the book and he reads it okay so this

733
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,700
guy was deep in the national security

734
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,240
state deep and his job was to protect or

735
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:37,980
what they come out and tell us is to

736
00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:41,710
protect us right yeah kid green same

737
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:45,620
he actually briefed presidents yeah and

738
00:27:48,430 --> 00:27:46,790
I don't know put off that I've never

739
00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:48,440
seen that in writing but I know kicked

740
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:50,150
green had access to the president's his

741
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:52,730
job back when our event took place was

742
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:56,240
Soviet technology he got an award for

743
00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:58,130
some stuff that he did discovery and

744
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:00,440
stuff the Soviets had these guys are

745
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:03,770
deep into this ok and they worked the

746
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:05,510
national security state their whole

747
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:08,210
careers so why do people believe now

748
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:10,970
they had this you know come to Jesus

749
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:12,230
moment and they're gonna tell us

750
00:28:17,409 --> 00:28:15,049
anything that's a value that's going to

751
00:28:19,659 --> 00:28:17,419
jeopardize now security number one and

752
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:19,669
number two why would the government ever

753
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:23,360
allow to happen anyway anything of value

754
00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:26,809
any technology anything that they don't

755
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:28,340
want other governments to have or they

756
00:28:35,140 --> 00:28:30,410
want to run up on whatever they're not

757
00:28:37,539 --> 00:28:35,150
gonna let it out so why now today do

758
00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:37,549
people really believe that this is some

759
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:41,390
kind of disclosure tour or whatever and

760
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,490
eventually we're gonna get the truth why

761
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:45,200
would they release stuff so these other

762
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:47,450
countries could know the same thing that

763
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:49,010
we do that that's just not going to

764
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:51,530
happen in my opinion and most of what's

765
00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:54,190
going on is is I know the woggs

766
00:28:57,789 --> 00:28:56,059
entertainment and the whole thing was

767
00:28:59,950 --> 00:28:57,799
thing but these other guys they're

768
00:29:02,020 --> 00:28:59,960
looking for government contracts yeah

769
00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:02,030
they're not miss Karen yeah they're not

770
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:04,580
looking for disclosure Bigelow summed it

771
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:06,290
up four or five years ago when he said

772
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:08,809
confirmation that disclosure well if you

773
00:29:11,860 --> 00:29:10,280
read it you're really break it down as

774
00:29:13,299 --> 00:29:11,870
well well something's going on just like

775
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:13,309
you said earlier there's these materials

776
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:14,480
we can't explain it there's this and

777
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:15,950
that and then we're just gonna miss

778
00:29:20,770 --> 00:29:17,510
something's going on or just gonna let

779
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:20,780
it go yeah that all that is is to get

780
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:23,480
more funding from the people that hold

781
00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:26,390
the funding which is Congress yeah I

782
00:29:29,169 --> 00:29:27,740
think some of them would be guilty of

783
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,179
that and that's what people got to

784
00:29:32,409 --> 00:29:31,520
realize is you like Thomas putting out

785
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:32,419
the thing we're gonna build this thing

786
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:33,740
we're gonna go to the Stars and all

787
00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:35,240
those kind of stuff but if that was good

788
00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:36,980
a lot he's gonna launch satellites with

789
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:38,630
laser beams that's uh that's what he

790
00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:40,190
said that they're working on when they

791
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,380
were in Italy and that's apparently yeah

792
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:44,480
justice reiterated that today on the

793
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:47,570
conference call yeah yeah yeah I think

794
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:49,010
that experiment has already been done I

795
00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:50,590
think they're gonna redo placate that

796
00:29:55,270 --> 00:29:53,720
laser propulsion thing there was

797
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:55,280
actually some videos where they show

798
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:57,110
this stuff's been done but the idea of

799
00:30:02,260 --> 00:29:58,970
going to the Stars is crazy because if

800
00:30:04,030 --> 00:30:02,270
that were true then you'd have Nassau

801
00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:04,040
involved they've got a nineteen billion

802
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:05,300
dollar budget you've got the defense

803
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:06,710
it's got seven hundred and thirteen

804
00:30:10,150 --> 00:30:08,690
billion dollar budget and you can see

805
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:10,160
are they who are they briefing the

806
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:12,470
Senate Armed Services and House Armed

807
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:14,450
Services Committee and John is right I

808
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:15,650
mean they're going after and that's the

809
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:17,990
scary part is you have guys like teller

810
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:20,450
who set up the the whole bob lazar thing

811
00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:22,370
and here's a guy built a bomb for ten

812
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:24,440
thousand megatons which they call the

813
00:30:27,550 --> 00:30:26,330
backyard bomb you didn't have to really

814
00:30:29,290 --> 00:30:27,560
move it anywhere because you just

815
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:29,300
detonated and it would take out the

816
00:30:33,010 --> 00:30:30,770
world and they actually had this thing

817
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:33,020
on a drawing board in the 1950s teller

818
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:36,050
and the first director of DARPA and you

819
00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:37,610
see these cut type of guys that are

820
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:39,680
pushing for this technology that's the

821
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:42,410
part that scares me is when you see some

822
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,430
of the stuff that we've had on the

823
00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:45,440
drawing boards and the military plans

824
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:48,830
and stuff like that the technology here

825
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:51,170
and the power of whatever this is was

826
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:52,610
gonna make nuclear weapons look like

827
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:54,440
like matchsticks and if that's the scary

828
00:30:59,260 --> 00:30:56,510
part is if this thing does get pushed

829
00:31:00,550 --> 00:30:59,270
eats through weapons stuff John is right

830
00:31:01,930 --> 00:31:00,560
I mean that's that's where this thing is

831
00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:01,940
going because that's the only guys that

832
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:03,680
got money if you go to the government

833
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:05,210
and you say to the Agriculture

834
00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:06,650
Department they go I don't get care

835
00:31:09,790 --> 00:31:08,780
about UFOs alright nobody cares yeah the

836
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:09,800
only people are gonna care are the

837
00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:11,870
people who see military potential and

838
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,100
that's why the aport thing is so

839
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:14,480
important is because this is really

840
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,650
bizarre stuff if you can make stuff

841
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:17,600
disappear and reappear and go through

842
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:25,630
making stuff with your wall slowly but

843
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:27,230
surely the technology where they're

844
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:29,090
going with all this you know the

845
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:32,210
telepathy the stuff like that even in

846
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:34,160
the f-35 that helmets falling on

847
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,000
telepathy it gives a mind-control seven

848
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:40,640
to nine aircraft the pilot can yeah the

849
00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:44,510
mental interface yeah so guys you know

850
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:46,430
grant John whoever wants to shoot first

851
00:31:51,670 --> 00:31:49,730
you know we hear this plan five to seven

852
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:51,680
years for the the I guess there was a

853
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:55,190
seven-year TTS a plan of where they're

854
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:58,090
going with this and the I you know Tom

855
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:00,980
when he's talked about is he he says

856
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:02,870
it's leading took the school you know of

857
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,370
course he has an incentive to say

858
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:05,840
something like that I understand that

859
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:08,390
but where do you guys see this going in

860
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:08,960
the seven year

861
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:11,710
what do you think the seven-year plan is

862
00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:15,260
quite a grant okay well I I think I

863
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:16,820
think the disclosure is part of it cuz

864
00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:18,590
people always look at disclosure but you

865
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:20,840
say like I know right Ron Ron pen

866
00:32:26,919 --> 00:32:24,740
Dolphy's wife always says wait one

867
00:32:28,899 --> 00:32:26,929
second what do you what do you think

868
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:28,909
they're gonna disclose though well they

869
00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:30,409
haven't disclosed already there they

870
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:31,700
have there's an official announcement

871
00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:33,830
that the government had a UFO program

872
00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:36,200
that's disclosure is it what it comes

873
00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:37,880
down to is people always want disclosure

874
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,980
based upon what they think is going on

875
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:42,320
so you have disclosure it's it's it's

876
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:44,390
not the whole thing it's not it's not

877
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:46,070
they're gonna tell you how the the

878
00:32:50,049 --> 00:32:48,289
atomic bomb is built and how these

879
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:50,059
things work and how the power works and

880
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:51,890
stuff like that but the disclosure the

881
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:53,480
fact that they put out that there was a

882
00:32:57,639 --> 00:32:55,970
program inside the government that was a

883
00:32:59,500 --> 00:32:57,649
disclosure that is that's what a

884
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,510
disclosure is it's to reveal and they

885
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,279
have revealed this this sort of thing

886
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:02,720
and I always believe it's a controlled

887
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:04,370
release that they've been doing this all

888
00:33:09,970 --> 00:33:06,289
along they did it with UFO cover-up live

889
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:09,980
in 1988 they did it in 1975 with that

890
00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:11,630
they they've been doing it all along the

891
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:13,070
same sort of thing where they dropped

892
00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:16,370
these little bread crumb things and so

893
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:17,870
to me disclosure they've already

894
00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:19,820
disclosed and every said well if people

895
00:33:22,659 --> 00:33:20,750
knew that the government was actually

896
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:22,669
lying that everybody would you know it

897
00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:23,870
would be people in the street and

898
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:25,520
absolutely nothing happened they they

899
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:27,830
made a disclosure and nobody jumped off

900
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:29,330
a building nobody committed suicide

901
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:31,130
nothing happened and and they're just

902
00:33:35,019 --> 00:33:32,990
gonna keep doing that so I say in this

903
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:35,029
in seven years they're going to get

904
00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:38,450
closer to there gonna be more videos I

905
00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:40,820
heard there's up to 200 videos I mean if

906
00:33:45,159 --> 00:33:42,620
that kind of stuff my key thing to this

907
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:45,169
whole thing is who's green-lighting it I

908
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:46,700
just do not believe that there's not

909
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:48,380
somebody green-lighting this thing we

910
00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:50,090
need the Defense Department you do not

911
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,860
walk away with the videos as a goodbye

912
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:53,840
present somebody in the government is

913
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:55,460
green-lighting Jim some even said

914
00:33:58,269 --> 00:33:56,720
somebody was green lighting this thing

915
00:33:59,649 --> 00:33:58,279
in the Pentagon there's somebody that's

916
00:34:01,480 --> 00:33:59,659
pushing the button that's allowing these

917
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:01,490
videos that's allowing these these

918
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:04,460
programs to be released and and Korbel

919
00:34:08,109 --> 00:34:06,350
says and I heard the same thing I heard

920
00:34:09,310 --> 00:34:08,119
I heard eight programs he said there's

921
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:09,320
four programs and you're gonna hear

922
00:34:13,869 --> 00:34:11,510
about them put me on record as being the

923
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:13,879
first guy to say it and so if four more

924
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:15,169
programs are released that there were

925
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:16,550
four other programs I'd say there's

926
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,409
probably 100 programs because if you're

927
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:20,480
the governor yeah if you're up at the

928
00:34:24,510 --> 00:34:22,450
top you're not going to

929
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,520
program and say stop stop that program

930
00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:25,839
because we're working on it already just

931
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:27,460
let everybody do their program spend

932
00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:29,230
their money and just shutting off

933
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:30,820
whatever comes out of those programs

934
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:31,359
that's good

935
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:33,010
I'm sure there's there's piles it would

936
00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:35,020
be totally insane to think that the

937
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,629
government is not absolutely up to their

938
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:39,520
neck in programs and trying to figure

939
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:41,500
this out you and I know it's it's

940
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,060
important technology we know it's a

941
00:34:47,069 --> 00:34:45,040
critically important time in history

942
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:47,079
they're not that stupid I mean they may

943
00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:48,609
be you know whatever but they're not

944
00:34:53,069 --> 00:34:50,379
stupid they they realize they're the

945
00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:53,079
potential and they realize that they've

946
00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:54,429
got to spend as much money as they can

947
00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:56,500
to unravel this stuff because whoever

948
00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:58,270
controls this controls the world that's

949
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:00,550
the sad part is it comes down to who's

950
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:03,820
going to control the world and weapons

951
00:35:08,819 --> 00:35:04,950
and all this kind of stuff

952
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:08,829
well I going into the TTS a time line a

953
00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:11,710
little bit it seems to me that they set

954
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:14,920
this up as a nonprofit whether they set

955
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:17,170
up as a non-profit or a for-profit it

956
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:19,660
doesn't really matter the key for any

957
00:35:23,579 --> 00:35:21,730
kind of organization that's kind of keep

958
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,589
moving forward keep moving forward is

959
00:35:29,069 --> 00:35:26,560
cash flow and it seems like the plan was

960
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,079
to get the quick cash flow from the

961
00:35:35,099 --> 00:35:31,839
entertainment and then you know maybe

962
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,109
try to get enough money from that to go

963
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:37,599
to this defense contract level but

964
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:39,490
that's the way it seems to me that's the

965
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:42,730
plan and it seems to be working and like

966
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,220
it or not it seems to be working how

967
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:48,160
how's it working you think well that

968
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:51,540
they're generating cash flow though

969
00:35:57,059 --> 00:35:54,250
there's the thing that you guys I'm

970
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,069
sorry to tell you but and I was in 27

971
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:58,800
years in the military procurement

972
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:02,640
defense contracts are not negotiated in

973
00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:05,410
open you know open press or open

974
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,020
negotiations the real money is like

975
00:36:12,059 --> 00:36:10,240
grant said is behind the scenes okay and

976
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:12,069
if these guys have some kind of

977
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:14,440
technology or some kind of formula like

978
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:16,990
for you know warp drive or you know

979
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:19,000
interstellar travel and all that they

980
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,950
don't need to go public you go behind

981
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:23,200
the scenes you go to skunk works you go

982
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:26,650
to these gun companies and you you you

983
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,510
you know you give them a brief on the

984
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:31,119
technology then if they approve that

985
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:32,650
they give you some funding you go ahead

986
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:34,690
and you start going from there and they

987
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,290
are indeed going forward

988
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:38,000
and this is all been made public now

989
00:36:42,610 --> 00:36:40,850
okay and that's not John I had John real

990
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,620
quick and then what's the point of

991
00:36:46,990 --> 00:36:44,720
bringing in too long in the first place

992
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:47,000
because here's my take

993
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:49,610
okay to get to go back to what Grant

994
00:36:54,370 --> 00:36:52,130
said earlier okay and unfortunately you

995
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:54,380
know McCain is taking a lot of heat over

996
00:36:57,850 --> 00:36:55,820
yours but he was a good man

997
00:37:00,880 --> 00:36:57,860
and he helped me get my settlement and

998
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:00,890
when this all happened the whole thing

999
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:02,810
with me and McCain getting in the middle

1000
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:04,850
of it and getting the briefs that he got

1001
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:06,410
and some of the stuff that went on

1002
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:08,750
behind the scenes it's still private

1003
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:11,030
okay they went to his committee to get

1004
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:13,970
the funding they need the funding turn

1005
00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:16,850
loose from the taxpayer and the people

1006
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:18,860
that hold the purses are the people in

1007
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:21,110
Congress in these committees okay so

1008
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:23,630
yeah the defense company cut you know

1009
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:25,700
companies all have to wait for the

1010
00:37:30,970 --> 00:37:28,370
funding given from Congress okay so now

1011
00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:30,980
it's no different than the cold war have

1012
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:33,020
you looked at some of these projects and

1013
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:34,850
stuff and the today's money it's

1014
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:36,650
minuscule but they were funding

1015
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:38,540
different like a million here ten

1016
00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:40,760
million here 20 million air for all this

1017
00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:42,470
stuff the Russians may have had this the

1018
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:44,420
Russians may have done that we've got to

1019
00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:46,490
beat him on this this is a constant

1020
00:37:53,110 --> 00:37:49,190
thing and the only way you get the money

1021
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:53,120
is to go to the Congress so if you get

1022
00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:54,920
these videos out there you get this

1023
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,120
stuff going on you get these

1024
00:38:01,690 --> 00:37:58,160
experiencers you get all this stuff

1025
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:01,700
going on Congress will be the ones to

1026
00:38:07,690 --> 00:38:02,510
give them the money

1027
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,700
so yeah I'm sorry what I see where

1028
00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:09,520
you're going with this okay okay

1029
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:12,920
question okay I got two questions from

1030
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:15,950
there so John do you think that T TSA is

1031
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,910
serving as a front look look you

1032
00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:21,440
couldn't have picked the worst person to

1033
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:24,440
do the the spokesperson the the chief of

1034
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,050
staff and Tom DeLonge okay and number

1035
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:30,160
one I'm sorry but that's just I know

1036
00:38:35,470 --> 00:38:33,110
he's not very nice yeah

1037
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:35,480
the Joe wrote thing didn't go well yeah

1038
00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:39,110
he's easy these guys of all these guys

1039
00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:41,360
that are behind this including the guy I

1040
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:43,400
keep forgetting his name but the guy

1041
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:45,140
that's now their chief of staff or

1042
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:46,850
whatever that came from skunk works

1043
00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:49,700
these guys Steve joins us

1044
00:38:54,850 --> 00:38:51,950
yeah they don't operate they don't

1045
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:54,860
operate the way DeLong does okay and

1046
00:39:00,430 --> 00:38:58,250
they registered TTS a is entertainment

1047
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:00,440
so if it fails no one can get really

1048
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:02,150
what what are you gonna do sue an

1049
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,820
entertainment company okay but if they

1050
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:06,560
get a contract you watch how fast they

1051
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:08,930
drop off the map and all they're trying

1052
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,050
to do is this is the space war guys the

1053
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:14,720
space force the space war this is the

1054
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:17,090
cold war going into space now yeah and

1055
00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:19,610
this is the big bad Russkies our head of

1056
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:21,350
us in this technology and we need the

1057
00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:23,720
funding or the Chinese don't forget to

1058
00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:31,820
Chinese John further along in some

1059
00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:35,000
respects in their space didn't space yet

1060
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:37,430
the Chinese haven't been up in space

1061
00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:39,050
they haven't had the space station up

1062
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:40,940
there we're gonna work in Russians for

1063
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:43,310
years on this different stuff and the

1064
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:44,810
Russians were the lead in the first

1065
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,090
place to put something up in the space

1066
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:49,280
the Chinese are light years behind us

1067
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:51,350
okay it's no different than they make a

1068
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,300
big deal about how they're getting the

1069
00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:55,280
Navy together they got one carrier

1070
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:56,750
that's refurbished from the Russians

1071
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:58,850
they're building two more you don't need

1072
00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:01,430
years it takes to put a carrier battle

1073
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:03,590
Strike Group together and then make it

1074
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:04,160
work

1075
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:06,650
they up until about three months ago the

1076
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:08,990
Chinese were afraid to leave the site of

1077
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,850
land with their carrier group and the

1078
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,800
last thing they just did now was they

1079
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:14,960
did of lying formation they went across

1080
00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:16,910
that part where they had that island

1081
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:19,790
there they're so far behind in maybe

1082
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:21,830
they can do some R&D and it can come up

1083
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:23,120
with this stuff but as far as

1084
00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:25,970
operational stand points this they're

1085
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,070
light years behind the Americans and the

1086
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:31,040
Russians in this okay let me make a

1087
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,450
comment I would say that the Russian

1088
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:34,640
thing is the same old scam that teller

1089
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:36,650
used why would you build a bomb ten

1090
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,810
thousand Megaton bomb that would cut

1091
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:40,640
like California on fire because the

1092
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,470
Russians may do it in the blackmailers

1093
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:45,440
the Russians have been used for ever the

1094
00:40:48,610 --> 00:40:47,270
same thing is to hype the money because

1095
00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:48,620
you can't have a seven hundred and

1096
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:51,460
thirteen billion dollar budget to fight

1097
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:54,260
al Qaeda nobody's gonna buy it but if

1098
00:40:57,550 --> 00:40:55,610
you say the big bad Russians and they've

1099
00:41:01,630 --> 00:40:57,560
got all these weapons it's the same hype

1100
00:41:03,609 --> 00:41:01,640
it to to push the the Russian threat as

1101
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:03,619
to the money with with

1102
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:06,410
why the long was picked it's to me I

1103
00:41:10,179 --> 00:41:08,630
always have this this disclosure thing

1104
00:41:13,689 --> 00:41:10,189
that they're doing this gradual thing

1105
00:41:16,269 --> 00:41:13,699
and the when Tom DeLonge first was

1106
00:41:18,459 --> 00:41:16,279
contacted he was contacted to do this in

1107
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:18,469
event at skunkworks and they said would

1108
00:41:20,979 --> 00:41:19,670
you like to introduce the president he

1109
00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:20,989
said yeah if I get five minutes with him

1110
00:41:25,929 --> 00:41:24,140
and then he gets moved to ask if with

1111
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:25,939
with and the president doesn't come in

1112
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:27,650
the first question they had scientists

1113
00:41:31,449 --> 00:41:29,180
are talking to him he hasn't used the

1114
00:41:33,459 --> 00:41:31,459
word UFO and they said to him so what's

1115
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:33,469
with the website and if you go back to

1116
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:37,849
2011 2012 2013 and you see the strange

1117
00:41:41,739 --> 00:41:40,130
Times website that Tom DeLonge had it

1118
00:41:43,929 --> 00:41:41,749
was like the National Inquirer for UFOs

1119
00:41:45,939 --> 00:41:43,939
it was you know the world's coming to an

1120
00:41:47,799 --> 00:41:45,949
end in 2012 a woman from another

1121
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:47,809
universe is here all this kind of stuff

1122
00:41:51,429 --> 00:41:49,849
and that's why they picked them because

1123
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:51,439
it's the it's the same thing that why

1124
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:53,630
did they pick Bob Lazar Bob Lazar didn't

1125
00:41:58,209 --> 00:41:55,849
have a security clearance he was on the

1126
00:41:59,890 --> 00:41:58,219
base in two weeks it takes 500 days to

1127
00:42:01,719 --> 00:41:59,900
get 560 days to get a top-secret

1128
00:42:03,339 --> 00:42:01,729
security clearance he gets brought on

1129
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:03,349
the base he doesn't have the credentials

1130
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:04,910
he's supposed to have they put him on

1131
00:42:08,049 --> 00:42:06,410
there because when the story breaks

1132
00:42:11,019 --> 00:42:08,059
everybody's going to say the guy you

1133
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:11,029
know was running a cathouse his wife

1134
00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:12,529
committed suicide he would fall

1135
00:42:15,999 --> 00:42:14,900
bankruptcy he's a totally crazy guy he

1136
00:42:17,979 --> 00:42:16,009
doesn't have security clearance he

1137
00:42:19,449 --> 00:42:17,989
doesn't have the MIT degree he doesn't

1138
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:19,459
have any of that kind of stuff and this

1139
00:42:22,089 --> 00:42:20,689
thing all falls apart the same thing

1140
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:22,099
with Tom DeLonge he's the perfect

1141
00:42:26,019 --> 00:42:24,529
candidate they have they have because

1142
00:42:27,969 --> 00:42:26,029
you want plausible deniability if you

1143
00:42:30,089 --> 00:42:27,979
want the story out you go to the New

1144
00:42:32,739 --> 00:42:30,099
York Times editor you give them all the

1145
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,749
the photographs the videos and stuff and

1146
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:35,119
it's over they're not disclosing you're

1147
00:42:38,589 --> 00:42:37,130
doing this gradual thing where they're

1148
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:38,599
putting out stuff and it's all plausible

1149
00:42:42,699 --> 00:42:40,130
deniability so they give it to people

1150
00:42:44,709 --> 00:42:42,709
like John Lear to Bob Lazar to Tom

1151
00:42:46,479 --> 00:42:44,719
DeLonge they pick people who have

1152
00:42:47,949 --> 00:42:46,489
plausible deniability then when the

1153
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:47,959
story comes out is all going to fall

1154
00:42:51,279 --> 00:42:49,400
apart and every is gonna run and say

1155
00:42:52,769 --> 00:42:51,289
it's a hoax and the story gets out but

1156
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:52,779
nobody takes it seriously

1157
00:42:58,479 --> 00:42:56,420
so basically if I'm getting you guys

1158
00:43:02,049 --> 00:42:58,489
right you seem to be roughly in the same

1159
00:43:04,299 --> 00:43:02,059
position here where you think that the

1160
00:43:06,189 --> 00:43:04,309
long thing is to get the public worked

1161
00:43:07,779 --> 00:43:06,199
up and they'll put pressure on Congress

1162
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:07,789
and Congress will loosen up on the

1163
00:43:14,189 --> 00:43:11,150
defense spending money and some of that

1164
00:43:16,549 --> 00:43:14,199
will fall into the laps of guys who are

1165
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:16,559
involved in teaching

1166
00:43:20,749 --> 00:43:18,630
I don't think I don't think it's to get

1167
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:20,759
the public worked up because what what

1168
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:22,920
did they do they came back a couple of

1169
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:24,660
months ago and they said don't contact

1170
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:27,660
your Congressman about this okay they

1171
00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:29,819
the the wheeling and dealing that's

1172
00:43:35,449 --> 00:43:32,670
going on is you've got this old guard

1173
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:35,459
that was around in the Cold War they

1174
00:43:39,949 --> 00:43:37,650
know how to manipulate this stuff they

1175
00:43:41,929 --> 00:43:39,959
know how to get these contracts they

1176
00:43:44,959 --> 00:43:41,939
know how to throw stuff up against the

1177
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,969
wall that's theory only okay and what's

1178
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:46,859
going on here right now is there is a

1179
00:43:51,439 --> 00:43:48,689
race to space that's why they called it

1180
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:51,449
to the stars it's to go out into space

1181
00:43:55,789 --> 00:43:54,119
it is to go out for whatever reason

1182
00:43:57,859 --> 00:43:55,799
whether it's they know something's going

1183
00:44:00,769 --> 00:43:57,869
to happen here eventually well they know

1184
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,779
for a fact or just you know the odds are

1185
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,359
it is and we need to get a colony or get

1186
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,119
people out into space to continue to you

1187
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:09,119
know to have my man kind of seat

1188
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,430
somewhere else but the ultimate deal is

1189
00:44:15,979 --> 00:44:13,680
is they're using the same game plan they

1190
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,989
did with the Russians with the whole

1191
00:44:20,509 --> 00:44:17,579
race I mean come on

1192
00:44:22,819 --> 00:44:20,519
do we really need a space for us no the

1193
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:22,829
Air Force can handle it okay the Air

1194
00:44:27,049 --> 00:44:25,410
Force could go and handle this it's it

1195
00:44:28,969 --> 00:44:27,059
you know they they were the ones that

1196
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:28,979
have ice the Navy and the Air Force do

1197
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:31,319
the flying the marine some what do they

1198
00:44:34,729 --> 00:44:32,670
could handle this they don't need to

1199
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,739
create a new space force they don't need

1200
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,359
to come up with all this new funding

1201
00:44:41,029 --> 00:44:38,579
there's all this new weaponry and stuff

1202
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:41,039
and and how much of it really works and

1203
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,049
doesn't work sweetness we don't know and

1204
00:44:47,749 --> 00:44:46,140
I know it works what worked back in 2004

1205
00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:47,759
and I can't talk about it so even the

1206
00:44:49,999 --> 00:44:49,109
stuff that does work they're never gonna

1207
00:44:52,459 --> 00:44:50,009
let you know

1208
00:44:54,669 --> 00:44:52,469
so all I'm getting that this is a race

1209
00:44:58,789 --> 00:44:54,679
to get funding to further the defense

1210
00:45:00,289 --> 00:44:58,799
industry to to take us out into space do

1211
00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:00,299
I ever believe disclosure is gonna

1212
00:45:04,099 --> 00:45:00,749
happen

1213
00:45:06,289 --> 00:45:04,109
no do I believe for one minute like kick

1214
00:45:08,059 --> 00:45:06,299
green said in Mirage man he said well

1215
00:45:10,279 --> 00:45:08,069
they for years they made this look

1216
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:10,289
really really bad and they put all these

1217
00:45:14,539 --> 00:45:12,150
videos these movies these books out and

1218
00:45:16,759 --> 00:45:14,549
then someday it'll come out well it's

1219
00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:16,769
not so bad and everybody all accept it

1220
00:45:23,029 --> 00:45:21,150
okay well what are we going to accept do

1221
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:23,039
we even really know what we're dealing

1222
00:45:27,499 --> 00:45:25,619
with for sure I mean what proof do we

1223
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:27,509
have that we know 100% what we're

1224
00:45:31,579 --> 00:45:28,710
dealing with okay

1225
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:31,589
um we're but the next question is is

1226
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:33,000
where are we getting all this technology

1227
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,420
and stuff so my point would be some of

1228
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:39,420
it has to come out because how can we go

1229
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:42,150
from rocket fuel engines to zipping

1230
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:44,580
around where suppose we could be in a

1231
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:46,980
decade or less because that's what the

1232
00:45:52,099 --> 00:45:49,770
the guy I forget who's the guy that was

1233
00:46:01,700 --> 00:45:52,109
smoking dope and all that the Tesla guy

1234
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,710
or whatever technology in the last 90

1235
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,900
days and he says this you know it's

1236
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:06,000
going to take us to the next level so

1237
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:08,040
we're all of a sudden can you imagine

1238
00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:10,859
this where are we gonna always say we're

1239
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:13,080
going to go from rock you'll - you know

1240
00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:15,060
whatever that explained that somehow

1241
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:17,820
yeah you gotta explain it okay so

1242
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:19,470
alright you gotta explain it and and

1243
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:22,230
here's my next thing Bigelow goes on 60

1244
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:25,170
minutes drops his little bombshell then

1245
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,970
later we have a New York Times article

1246
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:28,950
how come 60 minutes is done no further

1247
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:31,859
investigation into this how come there's

1248
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:34,950
been no far northern New York Times well

1249
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:36,690
who knows what's New York Times what

1250
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:38,070
they're doing because they did lead the

1251
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:39,570
story maybe they are looking at

1252
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:41,970
something but by now how fast is

1253
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,470
something big come out in 60 minutes

1254
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:45,210
doesn't dig into it and have something

1255
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:49,980
out within 90 days yeah there's nothing

1256
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:54,960
out you have all the people fighting

1257
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,490
about what the name of the program is

1258
00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:58,619
and in all sorts of accusations and

1259
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:01,740
stuff this job to go in and figure that

1260
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:05,190
out but only if they know there's a true

1261
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:06,839
story anybody I've ever dealt with in

1262
00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:08,670
the media I've never run across to

1263
00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:10,080
anybody in the media who wasn't really

1264
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:11,670
interested it's just that they have

1265
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:13,500
other stories to do it's not their mage

1266
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:15,540
thing it's not like they're not consumed

1267
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:17,849
what story like you and I are I mean

1268
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:20,310
they basically get the Billy Cox told me

1269
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:22,410
my editor basically tolerates what I do

1270
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:24,990
he was doing a weekly blog thing but his

1271
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:26,730
editor it wasn't his editor was a bad

1272
00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:28,230
guy or anything get hurt or just

1273
00:47:31,339 --> 00:47:29,580
couldn't care less it's like can't

1274
00:47:32,810 --> 00:47:31,349
figure why you guys are into this stupid

1275
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:32,820
stuff and I think we with the with to

1276
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:34,410
the stars we got to realize there may be

1277
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:37,830
different reasons for different people

1278
00:47:42,289 --> 00:47:40,530
like Tom DeLonge is is is he wants to

1279
00:47:44,689 --> 00:47:42,299
control the story so he

1280
00:47:47,179 --> 00:47:44,699
claims he's got the lifetime rights for

1281
00:47:50,449 --> 00:47:47,189
Bob Lazar story for for the book and so

1282
00:47:51,799 --> 00:47:50,459
to him it's a story he was going for

1283
00:47:53,749 --> 00:47:51,809
Chris Bledsoe because he has this

1284
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:53,759
magnificent story to him he's doing a

1285
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,529
storytelling thing if you have Noah

1286
00:47:58,789 --> 00:47:57,359
Levenstein experience here put off I

1287
00:48:00,229 --> 00:47:58,799
heard maybe an experience here as well

1288
00:48:02,539 --> 00:48:00,239
so they have a different motive for why

1289
00:48:05,209 --> 00:48:02,549
they want to do this I saw some is some

1290
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:05,219
stuff before the game in town was Joe

1291
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,410
firmage Joe firmage has this vision in

1292
00:48:11,959 --> 00:48:09,660
in his bed he has this guy come to him

1293
00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:11,969
and this being in the middle of the

1294
00:48:16,669 --> 00:48:14,849
night and he said I want you to help me

1295
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:16,679
get to space and the the beam he looks

1296
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:18,150
very upset he said why should we help

1297
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:18,420
you

1298
00:48:22,249 --> 00:48:20,249
and firmage says because I'm willing to

1299
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:22,259
die for it and he basically quits this

1300
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:24,689
calm billion-dollar company and starts

1301
00:48:28,429 --> 00:48:26,819
and he's got piles of money and and I

1302
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,439
I've seen a video I know for a fact that

1303
00:48:32,689 --> 00:48:30,900
put that that put off and kid green were

1304
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,699
in there promoting this thing and it's

1305
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,839
the old deal it's like you need the

1306
00:48:36,949 --> 00:48:35,880
money if you're if you're a scientist

1307
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:36,959
you're not going to work for free so

1308
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:39,150
these guys they know you need a contract

1309
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:41,130
so with the Tom DeLonge thing they

1310
00:48:43,459 --> 00:48:42,390
figured that we're gonna gather 50

1311
00:48:45,229 --> 00:48:43,469
million dollars you only gather a

1312
00:48:47,449 --> 00:48:45,239
million dollars then they took the the

1313
00:48:49,489 --> 00:48:47,459
ticker off their their website because

1314
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,499
it basically showed they weren't getting

1315
00:48:52,759 --> 00:48:51,420
the money that was sort of a dead end

1316
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:52,769
they they thought we were gonna get 50

1317
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,150
million dollars everybody would be all

1318
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:55,920
over the story that didn't happen but

1319
00:48:59,599 --> 00:48:57,689
they do need money to run these programs

1320
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:59,609
put off these guys are big-time

1321
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:01,319
scientists and they're always looking

1322
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:02,729
for money so they were after firmage

1323
00:49:05,989 --> 00:49:04,410
when firmage ran out of money because he

1324
00:49:08,269 --> 00:49:05,999
couldn't levitate a thing one inch off

1325
00:49:09,979 --> 00:49:08,279
the table then they all heard about Tom

1326
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,989
DeLonge and that he had some money he

1327
00:49:12,289 --> 00:49:11,160
had some inside contacts with the

1328
00:49:13,609 --> 00:49:12,299
government then they realized there's

1329
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:13,619
gonna be some money and some information

1330
00:49:17,269 --> 00:49:15,569
that if Tom DeLonge is talking to

1331
00:49:19,219 --> 00:49:17,279
high-level people that's why the Avery

1332
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:19,229
existed not because it was some secret

1333
00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:21,569
group it was a bunch of people who had

1334
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,630
had encounters with the fenomena and who

1335
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:26,160
figured out that other people were

1336
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:28,049
talking to Bill Moore and they said well

1337
00:49:33,919 --> 00:49:30,599
let's talk together and they could talk

1338
00:49:35,419 --> 00:49:33,929
to each other without things being you

1339
00:49:36,799 --> 00:49:35,429
know because they all have security

1340
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:36,809
clearances and they're all trying to

1341
00:49:39,439 --> 00:49:38,099
figure it out like I had heard the story

1342
00:49:41,209 --> 00:49:39,449
that KITT green because he's a

1343
00:49:43,729 --> 00:49:41,219
physiologist always wanted to be briefed

1344
00:49:44,959 --> 00:49:43,739
on on the daily autopsy and he could

1345
00:49:47,299 --> 00:49:44,969
never get briefed on the alien autopsy

1346
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,309
so there's these kind of things where

1347
00:49:50,779 --> 00:49:49,619
just because you're a top CIA guy

1348
00:49:52,279 --> 00:49:50,789
doesn't mean you know everything and

1349
00:49:53,959 --> 00:49:52,289
when you get a program where suddenly

1350
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:53,969
they realized oh the government is

1351
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:55,890
dealing with Tom DeLonge and there's

1352
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:58,680
this high-level CIA guy that's there and

1353
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:59,700
all these other people then they

1354
00:50:02,509 --> 00:50:01,079
realized there's going to be money there

1355
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,519
and there's going to be information and

1356
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:04,079
that's why I think a lot of these people

1357
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,180
have gravitated to Tom DeLonge because

1358
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,200
they believe that there's going to be

1359
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,720
money and there's going to be material

1360
00:50:13,759 --> 00:50:11,880
and government sources who are talking

1361
00:50:15,289 --> 00:50:13,769
and that's why I say the main story to

1362
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:15,299
this whole thing that is never a news

1363
00:50:19,819 --> 00:50:17,700
released is who's green-lighting the

1364
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:19,829
material somebody inside the government

1365
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,250
is providing videos documents and

1366
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:25,920
information to to the stars it's not Lew

1367
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,510
Elizondo he's out of the government it's

1368
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:29,880
not all these guys are retired it has to

1369
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:31,500
be somebody inside the government who

1370
00:50:42,529 --> 00:50:40,049
has green lighting these releases how

1371
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:42,539
high can this person be I mean it's not

1372
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,099
gonna be a Secretary of Defense they

1373
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,500
come and go fairly quickly is it is it

1374
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:48,660
as high as a Joint Chiefs level is it

1375
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:51,210
less than that where might this person

1376
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:54,240
be in that gigantic hierarchy well

1377
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,890
that's that's the critical thing is

1378
00:50:59,839 --> 00:50:57,839
there an mj-12 is there a group there

1379
00:51:02,450 --> 00:50:59,849
youo sure these stories that you know

1380
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:02,460
there's a division in the weather they

1381
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:04,980
want you know thing to go more into the

1382
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:07,319
black or more into the white world I

1383
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,750
still think the president I hear the

1384
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,700
president is briefed I've heard lots of

1385
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:13,680
stuff I believe the president he may not

1386
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:16,140
be involved but he signs off on it and

1387
00:51:19,099 --> 00:51:17,670
says yeah go ahead do this kind of stuff

1388
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,109
that's what I heard about Trump he

1389
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:20,880
really wasn't interested but yeah he

1390
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,619
keeps the program going it was a program

1391
00:51:26,799 --> 00:51:24,839
that's always run but you're gonna have

1392
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:26,809
that's the key thing is who's who's

1393
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:29,339
green-lighting the program who's the guy

1394
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,900
that's pushing the button did the idea

1395
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:32,880
that these videos they say it's

1396
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,710
declassified but John will confirm that

1397
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:36,660
just because it's cloudy classified

1398
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:37,950
doesn't mean you can get it out there's

1399
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:39,720
still as a paper process to get the

1400
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:41,160
material out of the government there's

1401
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:42,839
some way that there I call it the high

1402
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,579
hurdle there's some way that they're

1403
00:51:48,529 --> 00:51:46,500
getting this stuff out somebody is

1404
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:48,539
saying yes okay we're gonna provide this

1405
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:50,609
and in fact if you ask blue Elizondo you

1406
00:51:54,529 --> 00:51:52,890
say okay are you releasing the videos he

1407
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,539
said no I'm not releasing the videos you

1408
00:51:58,279 --> 00:51:56,160
say is to the stars releasing any videos

1409
00:51:59,539 --> 00:51:58,289
no to the stars is not releasing the

1410
00:52:01,249 --> 00:51:59,549
videos now they say who's releasing the

1411
00:52:02,359 --> 00:52:01,259
videos he said the government and then

1412
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:02,369
they say well who's the government and

1413
00:52:06,259 --> 00:52:04,890
then then Lou Elizondo says well you'd

1414
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,269
have to ask the government and that's

1415
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:08,640
that's this circle thing who's actually

1416
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,810
pushing the button

1417
00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:11,280
and approving this program because

1418
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:13,320
somebody I maintain absolutely

1419
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:15,330
somebody approved this thing to happen

1420
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:16,830
if you want to cover it up or

1421
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:19,050
disinformation you are not going to get

1422
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:19,770
this thing going

1423
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:21,030
and go to the New York Times The

1424
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:22,920
Washington Post and political who all

1425
00:52:28,310 --> 00:52:25,710
went on the same day and they all went

1426
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:28,320
that on on Saturday which is the worst

1427
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:29,970
day to do a press release

1428
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:31,530
nobody releases anything Saturday

1429
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:33,390
morning and the other thing was it was

1430
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:35,730
December times actually went in their

1431
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:37,590
print edition on December the second

1432
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:39,750
17th which was the same day that shut

1433
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:41,610
Bluebook down so it's basically the same

1434
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:43,380
day it's a week before Christmas all the

1435
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:45,360
reporters have gone on holidays and you

1436
00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:47,910
see these patterns of this fact that

1437
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:49,740
this is not happening randomly you do

1438
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,720
not have three major newspapers who have

1439
00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:54,000
never done UFO stories suddenly all do a

1440
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:56,100
story that takes two months to do put it

1441
00:53:00,260 --> 00:52:57,870
on the front page and then you go to the

1442
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,270
New York Times December 18th edition and

1443
00:53:05,330 --> 00:53:03,180
you see that the story originally told

1444
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:05,340
was Leslie Kane and Lou Elizondo was

1445
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,570
there with his back to the wall and

1446
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:08,640
stuff and if he read the December 18th

1447
00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:09,900
New York Times story written by

1448
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:12,870
Blumenthal you say that Leslie Kane had

1449
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:14,670
been taken to Washington and that there

1450
00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:17,970
was multiple former and present CIA

1451
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:20,100
efficient ljus officials and a

1452
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:21,930
contractor in the room so this was a

1453
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:23,970
program that was fed into the New York

1454
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:25,470
Times into the Washington Post and none

1455
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:26,550
of those people would have gone

1456
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,770
The Washington Post guy had two Pulitzer

1457
00:53:32,060 --> 00:53:30,480
Prizes they would have had two

1458
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:32,070
independent sources inside the Pentagon

1459
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:34,680
so the Pentagon somebody green-lighted

1460
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:36,540
know I know who it is that's to me is

1461
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:38,520
the key thing is who's green-lighting

1462
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:40,050
this and every time you try to go there

1463
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:41,910
they just walk around the thing and say

1464
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:44,220
well what they're waiting it's not for

1465
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,260
UFOs guys I'm sorry I don't believe that

1466
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:48,960
the Greenline needing to get funding a

1467
00:53:54,110 --> 00:53:51,510
bigger defense budget a great shirt and

1468
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:54,120
their green light they're doing this on

1469
00:53:58,700 --> 00:53:56,850
the threat of another country and now

1470
00:54:00,560 --> 00:53:58,710
China's been thrown into it but

1471
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:00,570
operational China's not even close to

1472
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:03,510
being ready to the challenge our country

1473
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:06,300
or the or the roughage on when when they

1474
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:07,890
did the Senate intelligence briefing

1475
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,690
Nick Pope said that the Defense

1476
00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:11,280
Intelligence Agency went in gave a

1477
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:12,840
briefing to the Senate they don't need

1478
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:15,030
to go and make a big spiel all over the

1479
00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:16,740
United States and risk the whole

1480
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:18,750
cover-up they can go and give a briefing

1481
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:20,970
and say we got the skinwalker ranch this

1482
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:22,290
is national security they in fact

1483
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:24,270
according to Pope they did the

1484
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:26,280
hence Intelligence Agency did go into

1485
00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:27,780
the Senate Appropriations Committee or

1486
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:30,360
the Senate Armed Services Committee and

1487
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:31,950
give a briefing which means that's an

1488
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:34,830
official briefing given to to the Senate

1489
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:37,500
so they know that the DIA can make their

1490
00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:39,510
own case and say we need this because

1491
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:41,100
the Russians have got it and we can get

1492
00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:43,470
these weapons and we you know I'm gonna

1493
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:44,820
explain something to you grant okay

1494
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:49,260
check the Cara was a CNN reporter he

1495
00:54:55,850 --> 00:54:53,160
then left CNN and went to work for the

1496
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:55,860
government and he worked for Yoda the

1497
00:55:01,640 --> 00:54:58,830
guy that was the head guy for advanced

1498
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,650
technology that just retired during

1499
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,540
Obama and I can't think of his name now

1500
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,400
but it's his nickname was Yoda

1501
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:07,380
he was in charge of the top thing

1502
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:09,240
think-tank inside the Pentagon and

1503
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:11,610
here's what Chuck told me he said okay

1504
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:15,540
we want all this money we want all this

1505
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:19,050
technology like ultimately are we going

1506
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:23,220
to spend half a trillion dollars on a

1507
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,460
laser system that doesn't work when it's

1508
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:28,980
cloudy or rainy and we've got to jump

1509
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:30,690
all this more money in R&D and to make

1510
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:33,420
advance or are we gonna stick with the

1511
00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:37,470
bullets the shells the old technology

1512
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:40,080
it's a lot cheaper okay what a trump say

1513
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,450
when he first came into office why do we

1514
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:44,220
need to have 35 let's stick with the

1515
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:48,290
f-15 the sitting in the the 18 okay so

1516
00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:51,900
these guys want all this money they want

1517
00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:54,060
all this money we're already twenty two

1518
00:55:59,180 --> 00:55:55,950
trillion are our country's in debt

1519
00:56:01,580 --> 00:55:59,190
twenty two trillion it's growing okay we

1520
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:01,590
have the strongest military in the world

1521
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:04,710
technology wise and everything else what

1522
00:56:10,580 --> 00:56:07,080
they're proposing right now is probably

1523
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:10,590
several more trillion dollars to to do

1524
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:14,280
all this in to go into space okay so to

1525
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,910
get these guys in Congress to listen you

1526
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:19,680
have to put some of it out there in the

1527
00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:22,110
public end to get them to seriously

1528
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:25,320
consider this now if you look at what

1529
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:28,170
they've said and forget too long that's

1530
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,970
why I don't like him he's just he's an

1531
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:32,400
he's another I mean he he's hurting them

1532
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:34,350
where it is helping in my opinion but

1533
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,590
these guys are going in there with these

1534
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,500
technology where the other country stand

1535
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:42,960
where we need to be and how much money

1536
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:47,520
we're going to need okay and that's what

1537
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:50,070
they want and so what they had to put

1538
00:56:54,740 --> 00:56:51,900
this someone into public because

1539
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:54,750
otherwise why is Joe Schmo congressman

1540
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:58,380
on his committee going to ever give the

1541
00:57:03,860 --> 00:57:01,800
money up if bullets still work really

1542
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,870
well and we don't need to go that far in

1543
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:06,480
space well I was one reasonably why not

1544
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:10,980
just jump in yes question I do what I

1545
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:13,170
have a local jobs that would be one

1546
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:13,920
reason that's why the

1547
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:15,810
military-industrial complex is so

1548
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:17,430
successful you look at a guy like

1549
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:20,130
sherrod Brown and you know he said

1550
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,240
generally not very Pro military more

1551
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:26,280
interested in social issues but when

1552
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:28,430
they try to close a tank plant in Ohio

1553
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,990
there he is he's all of a sudden mister

1554
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:33,200
tank so that that's why the

1555
00:57:37,550 --> 00:57:35,400
military-industrial complex has always

1556
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:37,560
been so successful because they provide

1557
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:39,960
local jobs for these guys for these guys

1558
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:42,960
constituents well John let me ask you

1559
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:45,450
why do you think the military wants to

1560
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:47,130
go to space I don't see it because you

1561
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,690
guys haven't even got you can't even go

1562
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:50,940
to the space Space Station you need the

1563
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:52,140
Russians to get you there you really

1564
00:57:56,090 --> 00:57:53,610
really have nothing in terms of space

1565
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:56,100
the NASA's only has a 19 billion dollar

1566
00:58:01,870 --> 00:57:58,410
budget nobody's really in except for

1567
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:01,880
satellite stuff yeah yeah satellites yep

1568
00:58:08,590 --> 00:58:04,380
when George Knapp did the interview with

1569
00:58:12,580 --> 00:58:08,600
the guy that big head guy with the the

1570
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:12,590
the skin or the the what do you call the

1571
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:17,040
area 51 guys the head guy he said what

1572
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:18,240
do you think to actually going on there

1573
00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:19,740
now and he said he could almost

1574
00:58:23,810 --> 00:58:21,630
guarantee that it's all subsonic and

1575
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:23,820
it's all drones so if I'm in the

1576
00:58:26,540 --> 00:58:25,260
military you come to me and say we want

1577
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:26,550
to go to space well what do you want to

1578
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:29,070
go space for we're here fighting

1579
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,930
terrorism and stuff and you're running

1580
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:32,880
this war that I think most of money is

1581
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:34,230
going to drones and it's going to

1582
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,330
subsonic thing we don't need supersonic

1583
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:38,460
stuff we don't need an f-35 it's true I

1584
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:40,260
mean it's all these these toy things and

1585
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:43,170
except for the the weird type technology

1586
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:44,610
stuff I really don't think they really

1587
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:46,890
have anything in the more I see the more

1588
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:48,930
I see stuff like joel fuhrman is trying

1589
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:50,280
to levitate something one inch off the

1590
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:51,480
table and you can't get it off

1591
00:58:54,380 --> 00:58:52,890
I've talked to his head engineer I've

1592
00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:54,390
talked to the people around him and you

1593
00:58:57,260 --> 00:58:56,070
got Bob Bigelow who's got a billion

1594
00:58:59,300 --> 00:58:57,270
dollars and he's just building a little

1595
00:59:01,580 --> 00:58:59,310
sheds that you're gonna put on Mars you

1596
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,590
got Elon Musk he's using six five

1597
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:03,359
thousand year old technology rockets to

1598
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:04,980
go to Mars I don't think they really

1599
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:06,390
have anything they're dissolved just

1600
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:08,040
hyped that they've got all this super

1601
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:09,330
high-tech stuff and they're in outer

1602
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,130
space and stuff like that I the more I

1603
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:12,720
look at it the more I think they really

1604
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:14,490
don't have anything and it's just this

1605
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:16,380
giant mystery almost like Eric Davis and

1606
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:18,180
and maybe Eric Davis has her on the

1607
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:20,040
record because Eric Davis says here's a

1608
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,270
guy with a security clearance and I know

1609
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:23,040
Eric Davis for many years I know he

1610
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:24,359
knows a lot of stuff that a lot of

1611
00:59:27,859 --> 00:59:26,310
people really don't know and he's been

1612
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:27,869
around he'll put off all these years and

1613
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:29,940
he said they shut down the cross saucer

1614
00:59:34,460 --> 00:59:32,280
program in 1989 he said the stuff is not

1615
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:34,470
kept at area 51 he seems to be putting

1616
00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:35,700
out stuff that he probably shouldn't be

1617
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,590
putting out and that seems to be what

1618
00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:39,420
I'm coming to conclusion is like no they

1619
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:41,070
really haven't gotten anywhere in terms

1620
00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:42,420
of the stuff that they actually shut the

1621
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:44,190
program down that they don't really

1622
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:46,140
understand this it's way beyond them and

1623
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:48,090
that's why they went to the skinwalker

1624
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:49,890
ranch and and what happened to

1625
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:51,240
skinwalker ranch they basically these

1626
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:53,940
black ops guys were just shut down they

1627
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:56,250
couldn't film anything the the phenomena

1628
01:00:00,859 --> 00:59:58,260
was way out on every step of the way and

1629
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,869
I think it a lot of it is just hype it

1630
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:03,119
may be to get money and I still think

1631
01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:04,170
that all these people are in for

1632
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:06,390
different reasons that just because the

1633
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,150
some guy inside some department wants

1634
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:11,520
his his budget for whatever he wants to

1635
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:13,350
do and he wants money that doesn't mean

1636
01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:15,240
that Tom DeLonge wants that or that Gary

1637
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:16,950
Nolan wants that I think everybody's in

1638
01:00:19,580 --> 01:00:18,390
it for their own sort of reason and

1639
01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:19,590
there would be a hundred different

1640
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:21,540
reasons why this program is moving along

1641
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:23,970
yeah but but here's the thing okay

1642
01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:25,770
a lot of this is going to take place

1643
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:28,920
from the private side okay now I think

1644
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:31,740
this will be the biggest or the most

1645
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,810
interesting thing that may if ever comes

1646
01:00:37,790 --> 01:00:35,640
out and it's gonna take twenty years

1647
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:37,800
from now most of these major companies

1648
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:40,170
like Google you know and all these other

1649
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:41,970
companies were probably funded by the

1650
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:45,720
CIA they knew this was coming PARP are

1651
01:00:50,359 --> 01:00:47,490
some of this money that they can't

1652
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:50,369
account for defense was what was

1653
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:52,200
probably funneled to these companies

1654
01:00:57,859 --> 01:00:55,410
okay now these companies were given this

1655
01:01:00,400 --> 01:00:57,869
money see money and some of the

1656
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:00,410
brightest minds were allowed to operate

1657
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:02,970
creatively because once you get sucked

1658
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:04,570
inside the Pentagon

1659
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:06,370
you know and there are rules and

1660
01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:08,230
regulations and red tape and government

1661
01:01:12,570 --> 01:01:10,660
stuff you can never make things work so

1662
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:12,580
they at least give the government some

1663
01:01:15,690 --> 01:01:14,170
credit for this and what I found some of

1664
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:15,700
the brightest people gave them some seed

1665
01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:17,650
money and they've let them move forward

1666
01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:20,500
and they control all this technology so

1667
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:22,600
then you get all that you get these

1668
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:25,210
private or publicly traded companies you

1669
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:26,650
get all this investment money in this

1670
01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:28,510
you've got you know they're you know

1671
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:30,040
they're going with musk and all these

1672
01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:31,480
guys that they're working on this

1673
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,600
you got Bigelow with this little thing

1674
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:36,640
that he first tried five seven years ago

1675
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:38,110
trying to say it was hotels are gonna

1676
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,670
put in space and send people open the

1677
01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:41,440
space and as soon as I saw that I

1678
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,390
couldn't quit laughing and now they've

1679
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:45,040
come clean and they're gonna use it for

1680
01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:47,410
Mars the moon if he gets a contract and

1681
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:50,680
even to transport people between and

1682
01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:54,400
stuff and in between okay you can put 20

1683
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:56,800
rockets on the way up there especially

1684
01:02:02,100 --> 01:01:58,930
the heavy lift stuff to building one

1685
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:02,110
ship okay or one you know ship that's

1686
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:03,370
got the better technology and

1687
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:04,930
frequencies and whatever they're using

1688
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:06,310
whether or not it's going to be warp

1689
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:08,170
drive or not because of the the funding

1690
01:02:11,490 --> 01:02:09,910
but you've got to get some of this

1691
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:11,500
funding you got to get these private

1692
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:14,410
people involved but ultimately to get

1693
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:16,330
the money I still keep saying this

1694
01:02:22,770 --> 01:02:19,120
you've got to get the people in Congress

1695
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,780
to decide on board but but Frank brings

1696
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:24,640
up an issue which which Bob Bigelow

1697
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:27,340
brought up in in in an interview which

1698
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:29,650
he did with art bell a long time ago and

1699
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:31,570
that is the idea that not only do you

1700
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,400
have guys who that's the old thing about

1701
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:35,680
this articles written thanks but no

1702
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:37,210
tanks where they couldn't stop the a1

1703
01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:38,770
from being built because you had a

1704
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:40,060
congressman in there and you're gonna

1705
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:41,440
have inside the government just cuz you

1706
01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:42,910
got a good idea and you say oh we got

1707
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:44,560
this new technology you're up against

1708
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:47,080
the other guys who have the contracts

1709
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:48,490
now and they're going to shut you down

1710
01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:52,920
and Bigelow tells the story because so

1711
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:56,200
art bellossom well you know why are you

1712
01:02:59,040 --> 01:02:57,970
using a Russian rocket and he said

1713
01:03:00,570 --> 01:02:59,050
because we don't have any American

1714
01:03:02,130 --> 01:03:00,580
rockets he said well you we shut down

1715
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:02,140
all these nuclear missiles we have all

1716
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:04,150
these rockets and and then Bigelow says

1717
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:06,540
well they drove over them with with with

1718
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:08,710
front-end loaders and he said they did

1719
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:10,840
what he said yeah they would not allow

1720
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:13,150
us to use American Rockets because it's

1721
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:14,830
going to conflict with the guys who are

1722
01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:17,380
making the new rockets so we drove over

1723
01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:18,380
all the rock

1724
01:03:23,110 --> 01:03:20,750
it's that we had with bulldozers and

1725
01:03:25,390 --> 01:03:23,120
that's why Bob Bigelow went to the

1726
01:03:27,370 --> 01:03:25,400
Russians for rockets to launch his stuff

1727
01:03:29,110 --> 01:03:27,380
and he the first one they sold him was

1728
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:29,120
the one that had the warhead for for Las

1729
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:32,150
Vegas and and Knapp and art Bell says

1730
01:03:35,260 --> 01:03:33,650
are you kidding he said no I'm serious

1731
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:35,270
they sold me this one and that's because

1732
01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:37,160
the Russians they don't have the big

1733
01:03:40,510 --> 01:03:38,990
industry they have to reuse stuff but

1734
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:40,520
the Americans they just bulldoze it so

1735
01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:42,830
you're if you've got an idea you're up

1736
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:44,660
against the f-35 you're up against all

1737
01:03:47,230 --> 01:03:45,890
these other guys who have the money

1738
01:03:48,310 --> 01:03:47,240
they're not going to allow you to walk

1739
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:48,320
in the same as you're gonna have these

1740
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:49,970
people who believe it's the devil you're

1741
01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:51,710
up against a lot of opposition inside

1742
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:53,840
the government even so to go and sell it

1743
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:55,220
you're selling it to a bunch of people

1744
01:03:57,940 --> 01:03:56,690
who have private interests and are

1745
01:03:59,800 --> 01:03:57,950
getting funding from other people

1746
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:59,810
already it's gonna be a very hard sell

1747
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:01,220
even if you've got a good idea that you

1748
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:03,650
think is gonna work agree but here's the

1749
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,670
thing if you get the brightest to sign a

1750
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:09,680
board like I'll give me an example okay

1751
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,890
no it got very upset with me when I when

1752
01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:14,480
I went on the air a couple times and

1753
01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:17,870
said that if what you're working on was

1754
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:20,600
true it would be a hell of a weapon for

1755
01:04:26,350 --> 01:04:23,270
the government to use and he told me

1756
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:26,360
that if I continued to push this that he

1757
01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:29,570
it may lead him to even leaving the

1758
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:32,420
whole thing okay because there's people

1759
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:34,010
out there that would be sending them

1760
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:35,510
death threats and all that why are you

1761
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:37,250
developing this if it's gonna lead to

1762
01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:39,830
bad things okay but if you get the

1763
01:04:45,850 --> 01:04:42,860
brightest people out there you give them

1764
01:04:48,730 --> 01:04:45,860
the seed money then you own them and you

1765
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:48,740
keep them outside of the government

1766
01:04:55,780 --> 01:04:51,250
control in FOIA and everything else and

1767
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,790
eventually you get private industry II's

1768
01:04:59,590 --> 01:04:57,680
really stole the government but it's

1769
01:05:02,680 --> 01:04:59,600
being funded through the government and

1770
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:02,690
private industry to do all this okay

1771
01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:05,150
you're ahead of the game okay but

1772
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:08,870
ultimately the problem is now where are

1773
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:11,290
we gonna get the money what what

1774
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:15,680
necessitates us to go out into deep

1775
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:19,910
space what I don't see why they're gonna

1776
01:05:25,390 --> 01:05:21,290
go to deep space doesn't make any sense

1777
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:25,400
really get in here now and say so you

1778
01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:27,770
guys what do you what do you think their

1779
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,870
actual concern is about the phenomenon

1780
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:32,000
we you know you think

1781
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:33,710
legitimate concerns and they're trying

1782
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:37,010
to do all this so they can study it more

1783
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:39,710
or so they could maybe if they feel

1784
01:05:44,290 --> 01:05:41,330
threatened they can protect themselves I

1785
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:44,300
think the phenomenons role is in this

1786
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:48,170
and how they're reacting to it the

1787
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:50,210
phenomena or the government the

1788
01:05:55,210 --> 01:05:53,930
phenomena phenomena illness away what do

1789
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:55,220
you think the government is doing in

1790
01:06:03,840 --> 01:05:58,640
lieu of the phenomenon I really don't

1791
01:06:08,260 --> 01:06:06,160
yeah we're kind of talking about this

1792
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:08,270
from an angle it's like you know you got

1793
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:10,010
the US and the Russians and the defense

1794
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:12,470
money but how much of this has to do

1795
01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:16,490
with the phenomenon you know like well I

1796
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:17,990
think there's been some concerned

1797
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:21,760
expressed that if a military rival eye

1798
01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:24,290
figures out how some of this stuff works

1799
01:06:28,270 --> 01:06:26,360
that that would give them a decided

1800
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:28,280
advantage I mean that's been discussed

1801
01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:30,410
pretty openly yeah but that that's all

1802
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:32,900
promo that's all public relations and so

1803
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:36,250
do you you you do as a threat like

1804
01:06:40,570 --> 01:06:38,810
Korbel talked about it he broke the

1805
01:06:42,610 --> 01:06:40,580
Nimitz story he was on it before anybody

1806
01:06:44,530 --> 01:06:42,620
else and he said they were called AAA

1807
01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:44,540
bees and he said the minute the story

1808
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:46,420
broke it was changed to a eighties

1809
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:50,030
advanced aerial threats and it's the the

1810
01:06:54,490 --> 01:06:51,530
whole deal is you're not going to sell

1811
01:06:56,050 --> 01:06:54,500
anything to the government unless you

1812
01:06:57,850 --> 01:06:56,060
have a selling point and it's the old

1813
01:06:58,900 --> 01:06:57,860
thing create a need and then fill it and

1814
01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:58,910
you have to have a need so you say

1815
01:07:02,110 --> 01:07:00,650
there's these evil aliens out there and

1816
01:07:04,330 --> 01:07:02,120
they may get us and we got to get before

1817
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:04,340
the Russians and the Russians may have

1818
01:07:05,770 --> 01:07:05,450
this technology and they're coming to

1819
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,780
get us

1820
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,520
and that's the way you get a seven

1821
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:08,720
hundred thirteen billion dollar budget

1822
01:07:15,340 --> 01:07:10,730
by having all sorts of enemies and all

1823
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,350
sorts of threats that you need to take

1824
01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:16,880
care of and I've got the weapon that

1825
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:18,350
will do it and that's how you sell it

1826
01:07:21,730 --> 01:07:20,330
otherwise nobody's gonna buy it and I

1827
01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:21,740
grant that this is coming from

1828
01:07:27,220 --> 01:07:23,780
internally where the military says they

1829
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:27,230
want this or this is coming from current

1830
01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:30,590
private sector suppliers like but let's

1831
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:32,540
say Boeing is an example or McDonnell

1832
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:35,210
Douglas or whatever the case may be do

1833
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:38,030
you have an idea where this this

1834
01:07:43,070 --> 01:07:40,770
pressure is coming from

1835
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,080
I really don't understand what you're

1836
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:45,359
getting at though well I could count I

1837
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:47,160
could kind of throw it at you Frank okay

1838
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:52,020
okay six months ago when Trump five

1839
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,550
months ago whatever was throughout

1840
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:56,160
spaceforce Amathus didn't agree with it

1841
01:08:01,520 --> 01:07:58,680
quite a few people inside DoD were

1842
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:01,530
against it then about four months later

1843
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:05,250
everybody changed their tune okay now my

1844
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,660
take is that part of what changed their

1845
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:11,880
tune was the briefings that were getting

1846
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:16,319
not from Tom DeLonge okay but from put

1847
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:19,259
off green and you know justice and those

1848
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:21,480
guys that were up there maybe Lou and

1849
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,609
some of the other stuff whatever was

1850
01:08:27,499 --> 01:08:25,920
being opened up to him now it may I know

1851
01:08:30,530 --> 01:08:27,509
grant you want to say the president

1852
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,540
knows everything but they they have a

1853
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:32,400
need to know what I may need to need to

1854
01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:33,989
know is they need to know everything

1855
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:38,160
when is relevant okay so let's say Trump

1856
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:39,839
comes in he don't give a rat's butt

1857
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:44,520
about aliens you know he's right okay so

1858
01:08:49,999 --> 01:08:47,640
he may get a defense briefing and get

1859
01:08:52,190 --> 01:08:50,009
briefed on a program or whatever but

1860
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,200
they're not going to break down the

1861
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:54,420
entire program the funding words going

1862
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:55,770
and everything else do you know what I

1863
01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:56,130
mean

1864
01:09:01,660 --> 01:08:59,339
so what I'm getting at is something got

1865
01:09:04,999 --> 01:09:01,670
Trump to want to do this base force

1866
01:09:06,620 --> 01:09:05,009
something got Mathis who comes out says

1867
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:06,630
I'm a no-nonsense guy we don't get

1868
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:09,779
played not not in my DoD but he changed

1869
01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:10,380
his tune

1870
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,640
you mean the Secretary of Defense

1871
01:09:16,190 --> 01:09:13,920
Madison Amathus yeah yeah he's

1872
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:16,200
old-school so there's something being

1873
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:17,310
briefed up there

1874
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:19,830
that they want a space for us okay and

1875
01:09:27,019 --> 01:09:22,710
that we need to get out into space now

1876
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,029
they've never really said what the

1877
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:29,580
objective is well the only thing they've

1878
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:31,560
said was NASA said well there's minerals

1879
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:32,130
that we need

1880
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:35,489
and Mars Mars in a minute but they just

1881
01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:38,250
came out that and my point was well

1882
01:09:43,519 --> 01:09:40,859
that's what I've always heard my things

1883
01:09:46,610 --> 01:09:43,529
what I was told was whatever technology

1884
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:46,620
they think they can develop those

1885
01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:50,850
minerals lie up there and make me far

1886
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:53,100
far for me I mean I just that's crazy

1887
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:54,089
stuff

1888
01:09:58,939 --> 01:09:56,610
NASA NASA just came out with that and

1889
01:10:01,370 --> 01:09:58,949
said one of our objectives is to go to

1890
01:10:02,899 --> 01:10:01,380
the Moon and Mars to mine minerals they

1891
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:02,909
have a nineteen billion dollar budget

1892
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,830
they almost it's not zero but it's

1893
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:06,000
getting pretty close to zero they have

1894
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,710
no money they have no gas because the

1895
01:10:11,899 --> 01:10:09,840
space force is going to take it over but

1896
01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:11,909
it's going to be a military it's going

1897
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,070
to be completely a military operation

1898
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:16,800
which means whatever the briefings were

1899
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:20,610
whatever is taking place was the idea

1900
01:10:25,729 --> 01:10:23,730
now is private industry will work with

1901
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:25,739
NASA the military is going to handle

1902
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:27,630
everything in guard everything and we're

1903
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:30,060
going to colonize the Mars and moon but

1904
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:31,679
NASA openly admitted one of the

1905
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:34,170
objectives was to get to Mars was to

1906
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:36,330
mine minerals well yeah

1907
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:38,489
but NASA makes up all sorts of stuff

1908
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:40,590
they're always got a proposal because if

1909
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:42,510
they don't have a proposal and say we

1910
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,040
have a need we got to go get minerals

1911
01:10:47,959 --> 01:10:46,320
we've got to go and back to the moon or

1912
01:10:49,729 --> 01:10:47,969
whatever nobody's gonna give many money

1913
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:49,739
they're always pitching some sort of

1914
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:51,900
crazy program we got to do this we got

1915
01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:55,110
to do that this it's going to be the

1916
01:10:58,399 --> 01:10:56,760
NASA's job is going to be the training

1917
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,409
astronauts it's as simple as that

1918
01:11:02,660 --> 01:11:00,000
they're gonna run the training part

1919
01:11:05,419 --> 01:11:02,670
through private industry the military's

1920
01:11:09,260 --> 01:11:05,429
taken is over math has signed off on it

1921
01:11:12,020 --> 01:11:09,270
now why what is going on what is going

1922
01:11:13,729 --> 01:11:12,030
on what threat has been exposed to these

1923
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,739
guys that they didn't know about prior

1924
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:16,080
because they scoffed at the space force

1925
01:11:20,629 --> 01:11:19,110
and everything else six months ago and

1926
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:20,639
now they're all signing on board

1927
01:11:24,859 --> 01:11:23,159
what briefings have taken place what

1928
01:11:26,510 --> 01:11:24,869
kind of technology has been introduced

1929
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:26,520
to them what kind of threats been given

1930
01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:28,409
to them and now all of a sudden they've

1931
01:11:34,339 --> 01:11:31,260
agreed that that we need to fund that

1932
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:34,349
and now now he just went back to trump

1933
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:36,179
and told them that they were going to go

1934
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:38,010
they were going to freeze the budget or

1935
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:39,780
barely increase it they want another

1936
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:42,420
fifty billion next year yeah well that's

1937
01:11:45,919 --> 01:11:44,130
the way it works in defense you you want

1938
01:11:47,959 --> 01:11:45,929
you want a trillion out to eat early on

1939
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:47,969
three trillion you just want more you've

1940
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:50,250
creates a need and then fill it so the

1941
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:53,489
whether it was Russian satellites or

1942
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,770
whatever they they hyped in that meeting

1943
01:11:59,899 --> 01:11:58,080
they sold somebody on the fact that we

1944
01:12:01,459 --> 01:11:59,909
need some more money and okay let's just

1945
01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:01,469
borrow another 100 billion dollars

1946
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:03,659
what's the big deal we everybody wants a

1947
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:04,920
bigger budget in the Defense Department

1948
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:07,190
nobody wants to cut down

1949
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:10,310
and and do it less I mean you can create

1950
01:12:15,580 --> 01:12:13,730
some need and get a new enemy and get

1951
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:15,590
another 30 billion and hire some more

1952
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:17,810
people and get more executives and have

1953
01:12:21,490 --> 01:12:19,670
a bigger pay increase and it's that's

1954
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:21,500
how the defense even this whole thing

1955
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:23,030
that the defense budget the United

1956
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:25,910
States defense budget went up one year

1957
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:27,410
almost as much as the Russian defense

1958
01:12:31,150 --> 01:12:29,870
budget in one day just that increase was

1959
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:31,160
almost as big as the Russian defense

1960
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,390
budget I mean it's absolutely

1961
01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:34,640
unbelievable how much money's put into

1962
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:36,230
the fence I do you think they need seven

1963
01:12:39,729 --> 01:12:37,820
hundred and thirteen trillion dollars

1964
01:12:41,229 --> 01:12:39,739
I mean is it we really have that many

1965
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:41,239
enemies around the world I mean the

1966
01:12:47,380 --> 01:12:45,040
Russians have low technology the the

1967
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:47,390
terrorism is almost gone and yet we've

1968
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:49,090
got this thing where we need you know

1969
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:51,290
713 the world's coming to an end because

1970
01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:53,090
they're able to sell it and and

1971
01:12:57,250 --> 01:12:55,550
everybody wants low taxes and they want

1972
01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:57,260
a big defense nobody's going to vote

1973
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,270
against big defense or a tax cut

1974
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:01,520
I agree but that that's what I'm trying

1975
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:03,260
to get my point is there's not gonna be

1976
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:06,110
disclosure this is simply to get more

1977
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:09,410
money for defense yeah and I I agree for

1978
01:13:12,670 --> 01:13:10,910
certain people that's what it's about I

1979
01:13:14,650 --> 01:13:12,680
can make some money I can wipe this

1980
01:13:17,229 --> 01:13:14,660
thing but I say disclosure happen on

1981
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:17,239
December 16th it wasn't disclosure that

1982
01:13:20,770 --> 01:13:18,770
maybe you're defining but it was

1983
01:13:22,780 --> 01:13:20,780
disclosure disclosure means to reveal

1984
01:13:26,979 --> 01:13:22,790
they reveal they had a program and that

1985
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:26,989
was never revealed before was muddled

1986
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:29,090
down muddy down because which program

1987
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:30,500
was that what was the name of it what

1988
01:13:34,450 --> 01:13:32,690
was it really doing what really is it

1989
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:34,460
that we're viewing we've only seen what

1990
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:37,070
three videos and at least one of those

1991
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:39,350
was was leaked years before to the

1992
01:13:44,260 --> 01:13:42,620
Germans okay so we had these videos that

1993
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:44,270
show something that we can't really tell

1994
01:13:49,959 --> 01:13:46,910
what it is but it's on gun camera

1995
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:49,969
footage but realistically that was not a

1996
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:52,070
cleaned up version so whatever was

1997
01:13:57,220 --> 01:13:54,440
leaked was just leaked enough to make

1998
01:13:59,410 --> 01:13:57,230
people look at it to say there's

1999
01:14:02,560 --> 01:13:59,420
something there that we don't have and

2000
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,570
then oh by the way we'll give you the

2001
01:14:06,610 --> 01:14:04,400
real brief because we're going to deal

2002
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:06,620
these now going to go to these guys in

2003
01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:08,870
Congress and like you said dia and

2004
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:10,040
they're gonna say here's what we're

2005
01:14:14,530 --> 01:14:12,110
really deal with yeah exactly I agree I

2006
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:14,540
agree so but they did do the thing where

2007
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,080
they they they put out enough to get the

2008
01:14:21,130 --> 01:14:20,480
thing going and in behind the scenes

2009
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,140
there there

2010
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:22,880
they're trying to gather money but if

2011
01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:24,890
they wanted it out em if they really

2012
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,780
wanted to everybody general exactly what

2013
01:14:30,130 --> 01:14:28,400
the program was they would have given

2014
01:14:31,810 --> 01:14:30,140
all three newspapers the right name they

2015
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:31,820
would have given the the records they

2016
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:34,340
would have given the the the documents

2017
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,510
they didn't they're doing this

2018
01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:37,760
half-baked thing it's not disclosure and

2019
01:14:41,620 --> 01:14:39,800
it's not it's not cover-up it's this

2020
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:41,630
half-baked thing where they releasing

2021
01:14:45,730 --> 01:14:43,490
things all in a big cloud where nobody

2022
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:45,740
knows what's going on and meanwhile in

2023
01:14:48,850 --> 01:14:47,870
behind there there some people are

2024
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:48,860
trying to get more money into the

2025
01:14:52,030 --> 01:14:50,090
defense but I absolutely agree with you

2026
01:14:54,250 --> 01:14:52,040
and now that well here's the other thing

2027
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,260
that caught my attention when um they

2028
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:56,480
released their public statement for

2029
01:14:59,850 --> 01:14:58,370
funding and they said they didn't even

2030
01:15:03,400 --> 01:14:59,860
think that it could last another year

2031
01:15:05,620 --> 01:15:03,410
yeah now that they sold off now who is

2032
01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:05,630
that Bobby Jon who's that when you say

2033
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:07,790
there was an astable answer are you

2034
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:09,770
talking about the CTSA okay right right

2035
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:12,350
so they said that may not last the night

2036
01:15:16,420 --> 01:15:13,850
of the year they sold off the

2037
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:16,430
entertainment part of it - I'm not sure

2038
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:18,290
I think it was a any because that's

2039
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:19,850
who's gonna run these documentaries

2040
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:21,770
which is through the History Channel but

2041
01:15:26,530 --> 01:15:24,560
a any so they sold off that portion of

2042
01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:26,540
it for the videos and stuff like that

2043
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:30,350
right yeah so now I had a friend of mine

2044
01:15:34,270 --> 01:15:32,270
who's an accountant and has no skin in

2045
01:15:35,980 --> 01:15:34,280
the game he's not into this stuff he

2046
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:35,990
just looked at it and he said yeah

2047
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:37,970
there's a good possibility this is all

2048
01:15:43,930 --> 01:15:41,090
go to collapse on him in less than less

2049
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:43,940
than a year and the other thing and so

2050
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:46,010
if it disappears they're gonna get the

2051
01:15:49,810 --> 01:15:48,530
contracts and life goes on exactly and

2052
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:49,820
that's that's what that's why they used

2053
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:52,010
Tom DeLonge that's why Tom DeLonge said

2054
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:53,330
the three had the balloon one in the

2055
01:15:58,660 --> 01:15:56,500
first one and then laws under said oh no

2056
01:15:59,770 --> 01:15:58,670
Jim semi van said it'll straighten as

2057
01:16:02,080 --> 01:15:59,780
we're making sure we get it right the

2058
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:02,090
next time then he goes on to Rogen show

2059
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:04,730
and he shows that tr-3b nonsense and

2060
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:07,310
then he they go to Italy and they show

2061
01:16:12,130 --> 01:16:10,910
the the 1915 thing was funny so why

2062
01:16:13,570 --> 01:16:12,140
didn't they not correct them what

2063
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,580
because they want him to make mistakes

2064
01:16:17,050 --> 01:16:15,440
they want him out there making all this

2065
01:16:19,150 --> 01:16:17,060
stupid stuff because this this plausible

2066
01:16:20,890 --> 01:16:19,160
deniability it keeps people thinking

2067
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,900
well is this really for real the

2068
01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:22,640
material is getting out and yet people

2069
01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:24,380
jump on these these things if they

2070
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,300
wanted him to get the true story they

2071
01:16:29,230 --> 01:16:27,920
would stop him from doing stupid things

2072
01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:29,240
like he's doing they would they would

2073
01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:30,830
rein him in they're not raining them in

2074
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:33,620
for a reason well let me ask you both

2075
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:35,090
you guys this really quick

2076
01:16:40,090 --> 01:16:38,030
now what what is all in this for

2077
01:16:41,890 --> 01:16:40,100
somebody like how put off I mean the man

2078
01:16:44,669 --> 01:16:41,900
is in his early 80s he's not a kid

2079
01:16:47,169 --> 01:16:44,679
anymore he's got kids

2080
01:16:49,390 --> 01:16:47,179
okay that's your reason okay okay no

2081
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:49,400
he's got he's got a he's got a son I

2082
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:52,880
know son he's got a company he's got

2083
01:16:57,790 --> 01:16:55,610
Eric Davis and he's got other people

2084
01:16:59,470 --> 01:16:57,800
that are younger than him and I

2085
01:17:02,020 --> 01:16:59,480
guarantee you when he passes the

2086
01:17:04,419 --> 01:17:02,030
company's not gonna fold okay and and

2087
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:04,429
neither are some of these other people

2088
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:06,290
that are involved with justice and those

2089
01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:09,170
guys and stuff like that I I go along

2090
01:17:14,620 --> 01:17:12,040
with your grant on this I think this was

2091
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:14,630
how do I want to wear this I think this

2092
01:17:21,010 --> 01:17:17,840
was put out - yeah they're gonna educate

2093
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:21,020
people that there's more to it and to

2094
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,730
get people to understand why we need to

2095
01:17:27,149 --> 01:17:25,040
go into space so the entertainment part

2096
01:17:29,850 --> 01:17:27,159
is there'll be some serious

2097
01:17:32,350 --> 01:17:29,860
documentaries that'll come out with no

2098
01:17:33,700 --> 01:17:32,360
classified information but they're going

2099
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:33,710
to talk to different people here's what

2100
01:17:37,060 --> 01:17:35,330
happened this is what went on this is

2101
01:17:38,590 --> 01:17:37,070
what we're doing this is where we're

2102
01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:38,600
going this is why we need this go to

2103
01:17:43,810 --> 01:17:41,270
space this is what the threat is and and

2104
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:43,820
and then what you're gonna see is the

2105
01:17:48,129 --> 01:17:45,409
company's going to go away it's going to

2106
01:17:50,379 --> 01:17:48,139
dissolve the law is going to have egg on

2107
01:17:51,970 --> 01:17:50,389
his face and these guys are gonna get

2108
01:17:54,990 --> 01:17:51,980
their contracts to build the next

2109
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,000
generation or whatever whatever whatever

2110
01:18:00,610 --> 01:17:58,400
defense stuff that they need and and and

2111
01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:00,620
we're gonna be left with confirmation

2112
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:03,980
there was a program but anyone who's got

2113
01:18:09,370 --> 01:18:06,530
any intelligence at all has to know that

2114
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:09,380
inside our Department of Defense and any

2115
01:18:13,629 --> 01:18:10,850
other major military in the world

2116
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:13,639
they're scouring the skies in the you

2117
01:18:18,580 --> 01:18:16,130
know in space every single day and

2118
01:18:20,410 --> 01:18:18,590
anything that's abnormal they're gonna

2119
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:20,420
want to know what it is for different

2120
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:24,770
reasons so they're good let me let me

2121
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:27,050
answer my because I I've dealt with some

2122
01:18:31,090 --> 01:18:28,370
of these people over the years I've

2123
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:31,100
dealt with hell maybe a dozen times over

2124
01:18:36,669 --> 01:18:33,980
20 years and I think people like hell

2125
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:36,679
and kit Green who probably the two guys

2126
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:38,510
have probably the longest one of the

2127
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:40,610
longest held top-secret STI clearances

2128
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:43,489
in the country from the 1970s I know

2129
01:18:48,879 --> 01:18:45,530
like when I had I'd recovered some

2130
01:18:50,859 --> 01:18:48,889
documents from correspondence with our

2131
01:18:52,959 --> 01:18:50,869
and all and most people have no idea on

2132
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:52,969
dollas and he'll contact me said if

2133
01:18:55,870 --> 01:18:54,050
you've got corresponds to the heart none

2134
01:18:58,209 --> 01:18:55,880
doll could you send me a copy of it and

2135
01:19:02,649 --> 01:18:58,219
so I sent them this thing I think he'll

2136
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:02,659
and Nolan and green are people who are

2137
01:19:08,409 --> 01:19:05,209
just really really interested they had

2138
01:19:11,049 --> 01:19:08,419
some sort of contact they whatever it

2139
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:11,059
was and they're determined just like you

2140
01:19:14,830 --> 01:19:13,010
and I why are you and I falling to the

2141
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:14,840
stars why are we chasing this because

2142
01:19:17,799 --> 01:19:16,489
we're trying to find the answer and when

2143
01:19:19,929 --> 01:19:17,809
they realized that there was government

2144
01:19:21,759 --> 01:19:19,939
people dealing with Tom DeLonge and they

2145
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:21,769
were gonna put this material out they

2146
01:19:25,239 --> 01:19:23,689
said let's go let's go and find out

2147
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:25,249
what's going on here let's get in there

2148
01:19:28,509 --> 01:19:27,050
let's get some information I think a lot

2149
01:19:30,129 --> 01:19:28,519
of these people are just honestly guys

2150
01:19:31,689 --> 01:19:30,139
who like helped put off he's been

2151
01:19:32,949 --> 01:19:31,699
working on his whole life he's just

2152
01:19:33,909 --> 01:19:32,959
determined he's trying to figure this

2153
01:19:35,709 --> 01:19:33,919
thing out he's trying to figure out the

2154
01:19:36,939 --> 01:19:35,719
propulsion system works I've heard all

2155
01:19:38,589 --> 01:19:36,949
sorts of stories and every time I've

2156
01:19:40,750 --> 01:19:38,599
gone to him he's been very honest with

2157
01:19:42,759 --> 01:19:40,760
me for example you ask about you know

2158
01:19:45,939 --> 01:19:42,769
government documents I asked him at one

2159
01:19:47,469 --> 01:19:45,949
point I said he'll there because there

2160
01:19:49,029 --> 01:19:47,479
was never any government documents or

2161
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,039
UFO documents in the presidential

2162
01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:51,199
libraries so I realized that he had done

2163
01:19:54,639 --> 01:19:52,760
the remote viewing so I said to him

2164
01:19:58,060 --> 01:19:54,649
he'll was the president briefed on

2165
01:20:01,029 --> 01:19:58,070
remote viewing and he said until 1988 he

2166
01:20:03,129 --> 01:20:01,039
gave me the date until 1988 yes he's

2167
01:20:04,659 --> 01:20:03,139
very short on his answers and basically

2168
01:20:07,029 --> 01:20:04,669
I think that's when he sort of was out

2169
01:20:08,589 --> 01:20:07,039
of the program or and and so he

2170
01:20:09,729 --> 01:20:08,599
basically affirmed yes the president was

2171
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:09,739
being briefed on a remote viewing and

2172
01:20:14,830 --> 01:20:12,050
there's no documents on that so he'll is

2173
01:20:16,509 --> 01:20:14,840
a guy from my experience with him he's

2174
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:16,519
just tremendously interested he's

2175
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:18,050
fascinated with the subject and just

2176
01:20:21,580 --> 01:20:20,329
like you and I they are trying to find

2177
01:20:22,779 --> 01:20:21,590
out who's got the answer and when they

2178
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:22,789
hear Tom DeLonge may have some

2179
01:20:26,049 --> 01:20:24,289
government contacts some government

2180
01:20:27,459 --> 01:20:26,059
money they jump in there just the same

2181
01:20:29,049 --> 01:20:27,469
as you and I are trying to figure out

2182
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:29,059
what what they're doing they have a

2183
01:20:32,169 --> 01:20:30,289
little bit different opinion than you

2184
01:20:33,549 --> 01:20:32,179
and I may have as to what's going on

2185
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:33,559
they're a little closer to the action

2186
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:35,329
than you and I are but it's like every

2187
01:20:38,830 --> 01:20:37,610
time you get a chance to talk to Lou

2188
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:38,840
Elizondo are you gonna turn it down

2189
01:20:43,209 --> 01:20:41,329
absolutely not even if you may you have

2190
01:20:44,679 --> 01:20:43,219
some suspicions that he really is not on

2191
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:44,689
the level or he's doesn't know or

2192
01:20:47,709 --> 01:20:46,369
whatever it you're trying to find out

2193
01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:47,719
what the answer is and I think there are

2194
01:20:51,969 --> 01:20:49,780
some answers in this to the stars

2195
01:20:54,339 --> 01:20:51,979
organization know madly how badly it's

2196
01:20:56,649 --> 01:20:54,349
being right I just like going back to a

2197
01:20:59,109 --> 01:20:56,659
name that I believed a grant you brought

2198
01:21:01,569 --> 01:20:59,119
up but briefly but I didn't spend a lot

2199
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:01,579
of time on has your position on the Jim

2200
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:02,330
semi van

2201
01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:04,190
I remember you talking about him having

2202
01:21:10,210 --> 01:21:08,030
a very negative experience or experience

2203
01:21:12,250 --> 01:21:10,220
that got him interested in all this in

2204
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:12,260
the first place has your opinion on him

2205
01:21:18,130 --> 01:21:15,190
evolved it all over the last year I

2206
01:21:20,710 --> 01:21:18,140
really haven't had much dealings III

2207
01:21:22,690 --> 01:21:20,720
know I did ask one question because I

2208
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,700
have a contact who is very close to him

2209
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:24,320
I asked the thing about the secret space

2210
01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:25,730
program there's always this controversy

2211
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:27,980
I said ask Jim is there a secret space

2212
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:31,130
program and the answer came back was we

2213
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,050
have advanced technology we don't have

2214
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,600
that but his experience was really not

2215
01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:37,280
negative it was very sort of traumatic

2216
01:21:43,210 --> 01:21:40,580
he had the four people don't know Jim

2217
01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:43,220
semi van is an experiencer I mean he had

2218
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:46,150
this situation where in the early 1990s

2219
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:48,830
sorry to interrupt but that you you

2220
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:54,050
believe that you know yeah I heard from

2221
01:21:58,210 --> 01:21:55,280
two different sources that told me the

2222
01:22:00,810 --> 01:21:58,220
story and and so the story was and he

2223
01:22:03,250 --> 01:22:00,820
basically when he had the interview with

2224
01:22:04,780 --> 01:22:03,260
melinda Leslie he also confirmed it to

2225
01:22:06,700 --> 01:22:04,790
me unless she she asked him about it but

2226
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:06,710
the story is basically in 1990 sea wakes

2227
01:22:11,290 --> 01:22:09,530
up his wife is bleeding these beings are

2228
01:22:12,490 --> 01:22:11,300
in the room he described Aminata cos say

2229
01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:12,500
what they look like they're not the

2230
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:14,750
normal type beings he saw the beings the

2231
01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:16,010
next thing he remembered he was in the

2232
01:22:20,290 --> 01:22:17,900
front yard and this this thing was

2233
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:20,300
taking off he's in his pajamas and this

2234
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:21,650
is the story that I was told he went to

2235
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:24,110
Ron Pandolfi the supposed head guy and

2236
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:26,210
he said I had this experience last night

2237
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:28,310
I need to know what's going on and Ron

2238
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:30,260
says you don't have a need to know and

2239
01:22:33,250 --> 01:22:32,210
he said I don't have a need to know let

2240
01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:33,260
me tell you what Ron you bring your

2241
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:34,760
boss's boss in here and we'll see who

2242
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:37,760
doesn't need to know what I was told was

2243
01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:40,010
the tenant was brought in and tenant

2244
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,940
said leave it alone

2245
01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:42,800
pretend it's a one-off this will ruin

2246
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,230
your career do not touch this and Jim

2247
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:47,840
listen to this and what I was told is

2248
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,530
that in 2008 he retired from the CIA and

2249
01:22:55,090 --> 01:22:53,120
he got a briefing as to what was going

2250
01:22:56,860 --> 01:22:55,100
on and it was at that point that he was

2251
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:56,870
allowed to to deal with the UFO

2252
01:23:00,820 --> 01:22:58,850
community before then he was told he was

2253
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:00,830
not allowed to deal with any experiences

2254
01:23:04,450 --> 01:23:02,090
because he was very interested in

2255
01:23:06,580 --> 01:23:04,460
experiences that's why I acknowledged

2256
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:06,590
that Nolan may have a very honest reason

2257
01:23:09,730 --> 01:23:07,970
for running this because once you're an

2258
01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:09,740
experiencer and you've had it you're

2259
01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:11,030
you're down the rabbit hole you're

2260
01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:12,380
trying to figure this thing out you

2261
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:14,600
really your number one priority is not

2262
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:16,010
how much money the US military

2263
01:23:18,339 --> 01:23:17,449
can make and that kind of thing you're

2264
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:18,349
just trying to figure it out for

2265
01:23:22,419 --> 01:23:20,090
yourself and I think that's Jim semi

2266
01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:22,429
vans main occupation is he's trying to

2267
01:23:26,379 --> 01:23:23,900
figure it out for himself what happened

2268
01:23:28,569 --> 01:23:26,389
to me that night in the early 1990s when

2269
01:23:30,129 --> 01:23:28,579
this these beings were in his room well

2270
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:30,139
let me make something clear Frank I

2271
01:23:34,899 --> 01:23:32,510
don't think Nolan's a bad guy and I do

2272
01:23:37,629 --> 01:23:34,909
think like Grant said he had experience

2273
01:23:39,580 --> 01:23:37,639
and he's trying to figure this out you

2274
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:39,590
have to go to green and put off are they

2275
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:42,050
terrible people no but my point is

2276
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,090
simply this they've worked under the

2277
01:23:48,459 --> 01:23:45,679
umbrella of national security their

2278
01:23:50,529 --> 01:23:48,469
whole lives okay and they were involved

2279
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:50,539
in some top programs do they know

2280
01:23:55,450 --> 01:23:53,210
everything no but I guarantee they know

2281
01:23:57,819 --> 01:23:55,460
more than most because of whatever they

2282
01:23:59,859 --> 01:23:57,829
they were working on they had cross

2283
01:24:03,250 --> 01:23:59,869
references with other agencies agreeing

2284
01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:03,260
especially so my point simply is is that

2285
01:24:07,930 --> 01:24:05,480
they're not going to give these secret's

2286
01:24:10,660 --> 01:24:07,940
out they're not exactly they're never

2287
01:24:13,330 --> 01:24:10,670
had that's not their intentions and my

2288
01:24:15,700 --> 01:24:13,340
second point is is yeah they're working

2289
01:24:17,379 --> 01:24:15,710
on things I believe how legitimately

2290
01:24:19,450 --> 01:24:17,389
wants to make the world a better place

2291
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:19,460
I'm not saying that's wrong either but

2292
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:22,760
the the funding comes from our

2293
01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:24,590
government that's where the money comes

2294
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:26,780
in somewhat private industry to through

2295
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:28,489
stocks you know private companies that

2296
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:29,900
now like I said I believe has been

2297
01:24:35,229 --> 01:24:32,150
created within by our government itself

2298
01:24:37,089 --> 01:24:35,239
so um they're working on their

2299
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:37,099
technology and their beliefs and their

2300
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:40,280
things I mean how told me the he feels

2301
01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:43,730
he has the best he has the best you know

2302
01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:47,900
whatever paper and theory to create warp

2303
01:24:52,419 --> 01:24:50,840
drive okay of everybody he believes that

2304
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:52,429
and I believe you will believe that and

2305
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,710
it may be true but you can't get it off

2306
01:25:00,250 --> 01:24:56,000
the ground if you don't get the money

2307
01:25:02,649 --> 01:25:00,260
so am I saying that how and green and

2308
01:25:05,229 --> 01:25:02,659
knowing or bad people know but they fall

2309
01:25:06,279 --> 01:25:05,239
under the security apparatus the barrel

2310
01:25:08,830 --> 01:25:06,289
of national security

2311
01:25:12,850 --> 01:25:08,840
they they're not going to break that

2312
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:12,860
oath for and and for two reasons or the

2313
01:25:16,029 --> 01:25:14,090
big reason is is they're not going to

2314
01:25:17,770 --> 01:25:16,039
give our secrets to other countries and

2315
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,780
other people can use it that's yeah

2316
01:25:24,209 --> 01:25:20,000
that's the biggest reason of all yeah

2317
01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:24,219
okay I appreciate your points there and

2318
01:25:28,270 --> 01:25:27,409
you know you ticked off no one who's not

2319
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:28,280
with the money

2320
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:31,090
or you ticked off green who's not

2321
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:33,410
associated I'm sure that there's some

2322
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:35,000
sort of consortium and they might

2323
01:25:41,980 --> 01:25:37,310
contact each other but a put off is a

2324
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:41,990
still involved in TTS a granta you seem

2325
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:44,570
to like semi van I mean who's the bad

2326
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:46,910
guy in that organization I don't think I

2327
01:25:49,690 --> 01:25:48,050
think everybody's doing this I don't see

2328
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:49,700
any of them as bad guys I think they're

2329
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:51,290
all just doing what they think is right

2330
01:25:55,090 --> 01:25:52,850
even there's a quid the thing where

2331
01:25:56,500 --> 01:25:55,100
he'll put off talked about when he

2332
01:25:58,570 --> 01:25:56,510
starts this lecture at the

2333
01:26:00,610 --> 01:25:58,580
remote-viewing conference and he says

2334
01:26:02,740 --> 01:26:00,620
I've always given I've given lots of

2335
01:26:06,370 --> 01:26:02,750
lectures on remote viewing I've never

2336
01:26:08,020 --> 01:26:06,380
given a lecture on UFOs until now

2337
01:26:09,790 --> 01:26:08,030
because it's opened up and now I'm

2338
01:26:11,290 --> 01:26:09,800
allowed to talk about it and he's asked

2339
01:26:14,140 --> 01:26:11,300
the question by Joe Bookman at the very

2340
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,150
end and this is a question this pointed

2341
01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:16,400
at John Alexander John Alexander I said

2342
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:18,440
I've talked to the deputy and the heads

2343
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:20,690
of all this three-letter agencies and

2344
01:26:23,980 --> 01:26:22,370
they all say nothing's going on and so

2345
01:26:25,630 --> 01:26:23,990
he says the question is basically an

2346
01:26:27,940 --> 01:26:25,640
indirect question and said well why did

2347
01:26:29,620 --> 01:26:27,950
your friends with John Alexander why

2348
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:29,630
does John always maintain that there's

2349
01:26:33,190 --> 01:26:31,130
nothing and he said well when you're

2350
01:26:34,750 --> 01:26:33,200
under security even if a person is your

2351
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:34,760
friend you do not tell them because it's

2352
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:36,650
classified so yes these people are

2353
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:38,630
controlled by if they get into a

2354
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,580
classified program that they can't talk

2355
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:42,560
about certain aspects of the program but

2356
01:26:46,330 --> 01:26:44,480
I think that that's that's part of the

2357
01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:46,340
game they have to play but in terms of

2358
01:26:50,230 --> 01:26:48,830
the fact I theory install these guys is

2359
01:26:52,030 --> 01:26:50,240
they are just absolutely trying to

2360
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:52,040
figure this thing out and when you get

2361
01:26:56,620 --> 01:26:53,690
into the government then you have the

2362
01:26:58,930 --> 01:26:56,630
the aspect that people want to have big

2363
01:27:00,970 --> 01:26:58,940
budgets and you have the manipulation

2364
01:27:03,310 --> 01:27:00,980
but in terms of especially for guys an

2365
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:03,320
experiencer I have a great respect for

2366
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:05,330
them the fact that they they need money

2367
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:07,610
I mean you don't if you're running you

2368
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:11,600
know and if you're Eric Davis or he'll

2369
01:27:14,770 --> 01:27:13,250
put off or stuff like that you're not

2370
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:14,780
working for free like you and I I mean

2371
01:27:18,940 --> 01:27:16,880
they want contracts yes they want that

2372
01:27:20,170 --> 01:27:18,950
kind of stuff but in terms of I think

2373
01:27:21,460 --> 01:27:20,180
there are honest people are trying to

2374
01:27:23,950 --> 01:27:21,470
figure out what's going on and they're

2375
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:23,960
governed by the rules and regulations

2376
01:27:26,650 --> 01:27:25,010
because they have to take the lie

2377
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:26,660
detectors and if you lose your security

2378
01:27:30,850 --> 01:27:29,090
clearance it's game over you're finished

2379
01:27:34,210 --> 01:27:30,860
you you simply do not step across that

2380
01:27:36,010 --> 01:27:34,220
line now yeah but you have to understand

2381
01:27:38,710 --> 01:27:36,020
there's no doubt something weird

2382
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,720
happened in skinwalker okay and you have

2383
01:27:42,340 --> 01:27:40,400
Harry Reid in the middle of this given

2384
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:42,350
candy now I mean and

2385
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:44,570
and think of that just that goes back to

2386
01:27:48,970 --> 01:27:47,120
my point they want to read who got to

2387
01:27:51,850 --> 01:27:48,980
other senators to sign off to get some

2388
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:51,860
funding to do this reads letter said we

2389
01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:55,040
want to make this an SI p project so

2390
01:27:57,490 --> 01:27:56,360
we're gonna keep this under special

2391
01:28:00,640 --> 01:27:57,500
access okay

2392
01:28:03,370 --> 01:28:00,650
they had the military up there so the

2393
01:28:05,050 --> 01:28:03,380
DoD and offers you just don't call up

2394
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:05,060
somebody at the Pentagon and say hey I

2395
01:28:10,030 --> 01:28:07,850
wanted a squad a Special Operations guy

2396
01:28:12,460 --> 01:28:10,040
to pop into this ranch this was all

2397
01:28:16,570 --> 01:28:12,470
coordinated so is there something going

2398
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:16,580
on I don't disagree but ultimately the

2399
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,280
secret is going to stay hidden because

2400
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:22,000
of one reason whether we like it or not

2401
01:28:26,860 --> 01:28:25,340
the the world is what it is nobody

2402
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,870
trusts nobody in these different

2403
01:28:32,380 --> 01:28:29,360
countries even if people with money and

2404
01:28:34,330 --> 01:28:32,390
power okay and whoever can like you said

2405
01:28:37,660 --> 01:28:34,340
earlier grant could control this will

2406
01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:37,670
control whatever the world and maybe

2407
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:39,740
even further if they can understand his

2408
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:41,330
phenomenon how it travels and everything

2409
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:43,250
else god only knows what that could lead

2410
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:45,770
to yeah yeah I agree I agree with you

2411
01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:49,250
yeah sure absolutely but they're not

2412
01:28:53,050 --> 01:28:51,380
going to tell us don't wake up tomorrow

2413
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:53,060
and think you're gonna get a New York

2414
01:28:58,150 --> 01:28:55,370
Times article saying that we're not

2415
01:29:00,730 --> 01:28:58,160
alone now the interesting thing was that

2416
01:29:01,900 --> 01:29:00,740
what NASA just did do that scientist

2417
01:29:04,930 --> 01:29:01,910
came out and said we may have been

2418
01:29:07,540 --> 01:29:04,940
visited yeah you know a long time ago

2419
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:07,550
and Davis on an interview he did with us

2420
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:09,920
and phenomenon said think of it this way

2421
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:11,570
where we could have gotten some of this

2422
01:29:16,930 --> 01:29:14,210
technology we went to the moon and left

2423
01:29:18,610 --> 01:29:16,940
behind our technology what if something

2424
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:18,620
came here or I think he basically

2425
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:20,210
implied something did come here and

2426
01:29:23,950 --> 01:29:22,850
leave their technology when they visited

2427
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:23,960
Planet Earth

2428
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,710
how many thousands of years ago yeah so

2429
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:30,080
have they probably uncovered things

2430
01:29:34,150 --> 01:29:31,970
they've studied the pyramids they've

2431
01:29:37,570 --> 01:29:34,160
studied all this technology do they have

2432
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:37,580
stuff yes but ultimately do they do they

2433
01:29:43,450 --> 01:29:41,600
have all the answers probably not and do

2434
01:29:46,570 --> 01:29:43,460
they need more money to work on this yes

2435
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:46,580
but I think my bottom line is don't

2436
01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:49,730
expect to get disclosure confirmation

2437
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:50,990
now I understand grant your point

2438
01:29:55,570 --> 01:29:52,910
disclosures we had a program but

2439
01:29:56,110 --> 01:29:55,580
confirmation is what is it what are we

2440
01:29:58,060 --> 01:29:56,120
dealing with

2441
01:30:00,580 --> 01:29:58,070
is what Bigelow said don't expect those

2442
01:30:02,050 --> 01:30:00,590
answers and and then Bigelow you see

2443
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:02,060
they're almost following his pattern

2444
01:30:05,470 --> 01:30:03,770
that's where he said we are you in favor

2445
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:05,480
of disclosure no I'm in favor of

2446
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:08,210
confirmation you need to say UFOs exist

2447
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:11,120
and stop right there that's exactly what

2448
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:12,800
they did last December 16 so it's almost

2449
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:14,690
like Bigelow is part of this that's the

2450
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:17,120
program but Bigelow added on he said

2451
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:19,970
then a couple years down the road then

2452
01:30:24,250 --> 01:30:22,400
you can bring in stuff like aliens and

2453
01:30:25,330 --> 01:30:24,260
stuff like that so that may be the next

2454
01:30:28,210 --> 01:30:25,340
thing where they're doing this thing

2455
01:30:31,210 --> 01:30:28,220
they move step one step two step three

2456
01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:31,220
and have this program which may not be

2457
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:32,150
working out very well because they

2458
01:30:35,050 --> 01:30:33,290
didn't gather the money they thought

2459
01:30:36,850 --> 01:30:35,060
they were going to gather there's these

2460
01:30:38,860 --> 01:30:36,860
delays the same thing as before it was

2461
01:30:40,450 --> 01:30:38,870
going to be January and and now then it

2462
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:40,460
was February and now it's March and it

2463
01:30:44,980 --> 01:30:42,290
keeps going back and stuff but if they

2464
01:30:46,540 --> 01:30:44,990
do have 200 videos I mean everything

2465
01:30:47,980 --> 01:30:46,550
changes then you've got to say I mean

2466
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:47,990
they're disclosing something if they had

2467
01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:49,490
and I've heard some of the videos aren't

2468
01:30:53,860 --> 01:30:52,070
closed so you know we'll see what

2469
01:30:55,180 --> 01:30:53,870
happens if they move this kind of stuff

2470
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:55,190
out the problem that they're facing now

2471
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,930
is the problem they had when I put a

2472
01:31:00,670 --> 01:30:58,880
magic magic is they made a lot of

2473
01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:00,680
promises and nothing happened and then

2474
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:02,600
it even got to the point just before the

2475
01:31:07,090 --> 01:31:04,610
couple days before that big release at

2476
01:31:09,820 --> 01:31:07,100
the New York Times there was actually a

2477
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:09,830
posting a tweet or a Facebook posting by

2478
01:31:13,870 --> 01:31:11,090
Tom DeLonge where he went

2479
01:31:15,670 --> 01:31:13,880
oh another they want another delay and

2480
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:15,680
it was almost like Tom DeLonge had given

2481
01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:17,210
up on it and then a couple days later

2482
01:31:20,860 --> 01:31:19,790
boom the thing the thing dropped but Tom

2483
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:20,870
DeLonge was getting frustrated and

2484
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:22,250
that's the whole point is when you delay

2485
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:24,170
it and you drag it out the way they are

2486
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:26,810
whatever their their claims are for why

2487
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:29,210
there's all these delays it makes people

2488
01:31:36,220 --> 01:31:32,410
very suspect and you can't blame people

2489
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:36,230
and you know you lose momentum with the

2490
01:31:40,780 --> 01:31:38,000
public if that's part of their equation

2491
01:31:43,090 --> 01:31:40,790
and you lose a momentum politically

2492
01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:43,100
because it doesn't take much to knock

2493
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:46,160
this you know this type of thing out of

2494
01:31:50,140 --> 01:31:48,290
the box it really does well frankly let

2495
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:50,150
me put something to you if what I was

2496
01:31:55,150 --> 01:31:53,330
told is true and what's going on with

2497
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:55,160
the technology that they're aware of and

2498
01:32:00,010 --> 01:31:57,770
the videos they have they'll get their

2499
01:32:01,300 --> 01:32:00,020
funding that's all I'm going to tell you

2500
01:32:03,580 --> 01:32:01,310
they're going to get their funding and

2501
01:32:07,990 --> 01:32:03,590
they're going to go on their way and

2502
01:32:09,979 --> 01:32:08,000
they're gonna leave the lawn with the

2503
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:09,989
basket of eggs

2504
01:32:15,380 --> 01:32:13,110
rotten and the whole experience or thing

2505
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:15,390
that's a whole different thing that I

2506
01:32:18,890 --> 01:32:16,770
was shocked that's come out so early

2507
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:18,900
because I was told that would be the

2508
01:32:23,180 --> 01:32:21,210
last thing they would ever get into well

2509
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:23,190
they themselves aren't mentioning it too

2510
01:32:27,940 --> 01:32:24,900
much directly yeah that that's something

2511
01:32:32,900 --> 01:32:27,950
that's kind of percolating around in

2512
01:32:34,459 --> 01:32:32,910
amongst us UFO aficionados JJ's book did

2513
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:34,469
you read what they talked about in there

2514
01:32:40,940 --> 01:32:38,400
I did yeah yeah yeah that's more than

2515
01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:40,950
enough to cause a huge problem and and

2516
01:32:44,540 --> 01:32:42,750
we should mention that Gary Nolan gave a

2517
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:44,550
lecture at Harvard University and it

2518
01:32:48,740 --> 01:32:46,410
wasn't a black ops lecture it was to the

2519
01:32:50,540 --> 01:32:48,750
to you know anybody could sort of walk

2520
01:32:51,860 --> 01:32:50,550
in there so I mean they are that's why

2521
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:51,870
I'm saying a kid green round around

2522
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:53,610
talked about the program and they talked

2523
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:55,290
about you and then Nolan gives a lecture

2524
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:57,120
I mean it's not exactly like they're

2525
01:33:01,040 --> 01:32:59,580
covering this thing up right and the

2526
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:01,050
experience your thing is the most

2527
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:04,320
scariest thing of it because of the fact

2528
01:33:09,770 --> 01:33:07,380
this what does it really mean you know

2529
01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:09,780
they've left us hanging out there are

2530
01:33:14,540 --> 01:33:11,880
the people that are experiencing this

2531
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:14,550
are the effect that after they have this

2532
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:17,100
experience or is it because there's

2533
01:33:21,220 --> 01:33:18,930
something different about them the

2534
01:33:24,050 --> 01:33:21,230
causes doesn't have this experience um

2535
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:24,060
how are they targeted I was just like

2536
01:33:29,690 --> 01:33:26,489
you said with semi van was he was CIA

2537
01:33:32,090 --> 01:33:29,700
was he targeted by a phenomenon or was

2538
01:33:34,580 --> 01:33:32,100
it some kind of our own technology that

2539
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,590
that we're alter altering the

2540
01:33:38,690 --> 01:33:36,960
frequencies and stuff and it activates

2541
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:38,700
something and somebody that most people

2542
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:40,260
wouldn't be affected by people are

2543
01:33:44,540 --> 01:33:42,930
different you let me ask you John what

2544
01:33:46,670 --> 01:33:44,550
do you think you you had the experience

2545
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:46,680
what do you think in in terms of your

2546
01:33:53,060 --> 01:33:48,570
personal guy that's in in it we're not

2547
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:53,070
in it with the program itself with your

2548
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:55,050
experience like in terms of you know all

2549
01:33:59,209 --> 01:33:56,730
the stuff that you've been told in terms

2550
01:34:00,440 --> 01:33:59,219
of you know them them contacting you and

2551
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:00,450
what what do you think's going on do you

2552
01:34:05,330 --> 01:34:03,090
think you were this is what I had a

2553
01:34:07,940 --> 01:34:05,340
problem with them from day one okay when

2554
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:07,950
Green came and visited Pat in

2555
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:10,410
Mississippi and wanted to meet with me

2556
01:34:17,150 --> 01:34:13,530
okay and then he met and then they were

2557
01:34:19,970 --> 01:34:17,160
really really focused on the DNA part

2558
01:34:21,620 --> 01:34:19,980
and I wouldn't sign off on it because

2559
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:21,630
there's no way to confirm it in other

2560
01:34:25,820 --> 01:34:24,090
words when you get told I'm the only

2561
01:34:28,940 --> 01:34:25,830
and there's one other lab in the world

2562
01:34:30,260 --> 01:34:28,950
that can do this how do you verify do

2563
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:30,270
you know what I mean trust but verify

2564
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:31,890
how do you back this up

2565
01:34:37,340 --> 01:34:35,250
and they won in my DNA so bad that the

2566
01:34:40,430 --> 01:34:37,350
next day even when I told him no they

2567
01:34:42,650 --> 01:34:40,440
flew Nolan in from California to Vegas

2568
01:34:45,170 --> 01:34:42,660
and he drove down with : Kelleher to

2569
01:34:47,540 --> 01:34:45,180
Flagstaff Arizona to try to convince me

2570
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:47,550
to give me my DNA yeah what was the time

2571
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:49,290
frame for that John when did that happen

2572
01:35:00,230 --> 01:34:52,490
that would happen in July of 2013

2573
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:00,240
okay right and I turned him down and it

2574
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:02,940
costs a huge problem and then I got

2575
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:05,250
everything I wanted as far as I got a

2576
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:08,910
letter from Green for the DoD the VA to

2577
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:11,130
tell them exactly what I was exposed to

2578
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:13,650
what affected me what to do they took

2579
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:15,810
care of all that and then I find out

2580
01:35:20,630 --> 01:35:18,810
from Alexander that well yeah they ask

2581
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:20,640
you for your DNA didn't ask yeah they

2582
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:21,690
didn't give it to him he goes what are

2583
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:23,880
you an idiot he goes when they did that

2584
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:26,070
surgery what do you think I got they not

2585
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:27,690
only got your blood but they got your

2586
01:35:33,140 --> 01:35:30,930
tissue so they got what they needed to

2587
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:33,150
study whatever you were exposed to and

2588
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:36,450
and injured by okay and then Greene came

2589
01:35:40,970 --> 01:35:39,030
back to me later and visited me again

2590
01:35:43,460 --> 01:35:40,980
and told me to work I've talked about

2591
01:35:45,950 --> 01:35:43,470
this before on certain things and then

2592
01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:45,960
he said would I give him the DNA and at

2593
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:48,540
that point I said sure I'm alive I'm

2594
01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:50,610
being taken care of as far as the VA

2595
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:52,590
goes and everything else sure I'll go

2596
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:55,050
into your hundred-person study and I

2597
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,460
know a lot of people get upset about

2598
01:36:00,800 --> 01:35:58,320
like what experience why are you

2599
01:36:02,660 --> 01:36:00,810
involved because this is what I was told

2600
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:02,670
believe it or whatever you want to take

2601
01:36:07,010 --> 01:36:04,980
from it they know about a bunch of

2602
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:07,020
events that have taken place most of

2603
01:36:11,450 --> 01:36:09,110
them have never been declassified

2604
01:36:13,460 --> 01:36:11,460
Alessandro told me when he met with me

2605
01:36:15,170 --> 01:36:13,470
there are people have had stuff happened

2606
01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:15,180
to him including the skinwalker they've

2607
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:17,940
had issues and unfortunately these these

2608
01:36:21,380 --> 01:36:19,980
are all classified projects and they're

2609
01:36:23,330 --> 01:36:21,390
having a hard time getting the treatment

2610
01:36:24,860 --> 01:36:23,340
and what they need to get taken care of

2611
01:36:28,190 --> 01:36:24,870
from this okay

2612
01:36:30,230 --> 01:36:28,200
so I agreed to go on the study they can

2613
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:30,240
verify incidents in the military they

2614
01:36:33,740 --> 01:36:32,100
have your medical history they have your

2615
01:36:36,290 --> 01:36:33,750
physicals they have everything else so

2616
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,300
they can track you a lot better okay now

2617
01:36:39,980 --> 01:36:37,920
what I also was just told

2618
01:36:42,260 --> 01:36:39,990
so he was like because I have a

2619
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:42,270
pacemaker they can't do the antenna part

2620
01:36:49,370 --> 01:36:46,800
okay you have to do an MRI understand

2621
01:36:51,500 --> 01:36:49,380
now either the report is on the speech

2622
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:51,510
that Nolan gave at Harvard in late

2623
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:54,570
November was basically sounds innocuous

2624
01:37:00,260 --> 01:36:57,450
enough that basically he's saying that

2625
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:00,270
he he has identified the part of the

2626
01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:03,330
brain where intuition comes from

2627
01:37:07,460 --> 01:37:05,820
basically yeah we've got a speech sector

2628
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:07,470
in the brain that we've got a vision

2629
01:37:12,380 --> 01:37:10,260
sector and he's saying that he's found

2630
01:37:14,930 --> 01:37:12,390
the intuition segments of the brain

2631
01:37:16,990 --> 01:37:14,940
that's basically the way I understood it

2632
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:17,000
do you guys have any thoughts on that

2633
01:37:21,530 --> 01:37:19,650
well what I can tell you is this go back

2634
01:37:23,480 --> 01:37:21,540
in time and I can't think of the guy's

2635
01:37:26,420 --> 01:37:23,490
name now he wrote all series and stuff

2636
01:37:28,580 --> 01:37:26,430
on green and it was called um something

2637
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:28,590
mind trap and it was what they did up

2638
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:32,370
and that was that was a target and

2639
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:34,260
somebody else wrote that book Beckham

2640
01:37:39,710 --> 01:37:37,770
wrote it okay thinking mind race I'm

2641
01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:39,720
sorry Yeah right for right so now listen

2642
01:37:47,870 --> 01:37:42,420
it green went to China and work with the

2643
01:37:50,540 --> 01:37:47,880
Chinese scientist on this okay now is

2644
01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:50,550
his name yeah and if you notice a

2645
01:37:55,130 --> 01:37:52,980
Chinese scientist just disappeared in

2646
01:37:57,710 --> 01:37:55,140
China because of genetics that they're

2647
01:37:59,390 --> 01:37:57,720
working on okay he just disappeared he

2648
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:59,400
came out with some controversial thing

2649
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:00,840
they were doing I forget exactly what it

2650
01:38:04,670 --> 01:38:02,550
was and then he's disappeared and nobody

2651
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:04,680
knows where he is well Green goes to

2652
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:06,780
China okay which is supposed to be our

2653
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:07,620
archenemy

2654
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,320
and goes to them with this technology

2655
01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:12,960
and they work on this together and then

2656
01:38:18,110 --> 01:38:14,910
they come back and they're trying to use

2657
01:38:20,630 --> 01:38:18,120
it at skinwalker okay and from what I

2658
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:20,640
understand an app talked about this

2659
01:38:25,610 --> 01:38:22,890
he was even used as a decoy they would

2660
01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:25,620
sit people out in this area where stuff

2661
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:27,950
was just to see what would happen

2662
01:38:33,260 --> 01:38:30,480
different people to see and they were

2663
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:33,270
using this technology to try to see if

2664
01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:35,280
it showed up why it showed up and how it

2665
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,740
interacted with whatever you know

2666
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:39,600
whatever who was there the people that

2667
01:38:44,780 --> 01:38:41,580
were there that were being tested wait

2668
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:44,790
what kind of technology go back and read

2669
01:38:49,490 --> 01:38:47,090
the article an MRI they had technology

2670
01:38:51,450 --> 01:38:49,500
within the brain and they could study

2671
01:38:55,170 --> 01:38:51,460
and they could do they could ask

2672
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:55,180
monitor people as they were trying to

2673
01:39:00,570 --> 01:38:58,330
monitor people on real-time when they

2674
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:00,580
had the interactions with with okay okay

2675
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:04,630
yeah you know but they identify in the

2676
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,410
kid green article from 2008 they

2677
01:39:14,670 --> 01:39:10,480
identify a different part of the brain

2678
01:39:15,630 --> 01:39:14,680
then Nolan is identifying now and I

2679
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:15,640
would say it's going to be much more

2680
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:17,110
complex because it goes back to this

2681
01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:19,210
thing that this is intuition well

2682
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:20,950
intuition is non-local that part of the

2683
01:39:24,900 --> 01:39:23,110
brain is local I say it can't so the

2684
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:24,910
mind is using that part of the brain

2685
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:26,770
there's action in that part of the brain

2686
01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:28,890
and there's actually was research done

2687
01:39:36,810 --> 01:39:33,790
in Canada with Ingo Swann and they this

2688
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:36,820
is at Laurentian University and there

2689
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:39,940
they had doing the same thing with the

2690
01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:41,530
MRI what part of the brain lights up

2691
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:43,900
when Ingo Swann is on target and they

2692
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:45,610
showed it was much more complex they

2693
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:47,730
were doing the thing with the with the

2694
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:50,500
Schumann's resonance seven-point-eight

2695
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:53,530
that when Ingo Swann hit a target he was

2696
01:39:59,580 --> 01:39:57,040
he had the brain the frequency of 7.8

2697
01:40:01,979 --> 01:39:59,590
who's doubted your presence I wasn't

2698
01:40:03,930 --> 01:40:01,989
Persinger involved in that yeah person

2699
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:03,940
who was running that experiment and that

2700
01:40:08,729 --> 01:40:07,030
links up with if the guy that gave put

2701
01:40:14,940 --> 01:40:08,739
off the award at the remote in

2702
01:40:17,550 --> 01:40:14,950
conference is dr. Bankston William

2703
01:40:20,190 --> 01:40:17,560
Bankston sociologists and he has a he

2704
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:20,200
has this training thing this energy

2705
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:22,330
healing thing that he uses and I've

2706
01:40:26,459 --> 01:40:23,710
actually written a paper which I can

2707
01:40:29,310 --> 01:40:26,469
give anybody wants on this whole thing

2708
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:29,320
and he says when they claim to be the

2709
01:40:33,540 --> 01:40:32,050
Cadillac of healing for cancer if

2710
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:33,550
there's no radiation or chemotherapy

2711
01:40:38,610 --> 01:40:35,410
they claim they can cure any kind of

2712
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:38,620
cancer and when him and they ran the MRI

2713
01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:41,530
with the patient and with the healer and

2714
01:40:47,190 --> 01:40:44,260
when they hit when that when it when it

2715
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:47,200
comes both the patient and the healer go

2716
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:49,360
into this this Schumann's residence it's

2717
01:40:54,209 --> 01:40:52,330
either 7.8 or double or triple and they

2718
01:40:56,220 --> 01:40:54,219
show the actual MRIs where they the

2719
01:40:57,420 --> 01:40:56,230
patient and the healer actually link up

2720
01:40:59,370 --> 01:40:57,430
and they'd only have to be in the same

2721
01:41:00,330 --> 01:40:59,380
room and so you have this thing that's

2722
01:41:01,830 --> 01:41:00,340
why I'm saying is gonna be much more

2723
01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:01,840
complex you have this Schumann's

2724
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:03,190
residence and

2725
01:41:06,750 --> 01:41:05,170
and and you have so it's not gonna be

2726
01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:06,760
simply this part of the brain is

2727
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:10,660
creating say intuition that part of the

2728
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:12,460
brain is being used but I will maintain

2729
01:41:16,770 --> 01:41:14,170
what eben Alexander maintains

2730
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:16,780
consciousness is not in the brain now

2731
01:41:20,670 --> 01:41:18,250
it's been a while since I looked at that

2732
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:20,680
but the seven point eight I believe is

2733
01:41:26,250 --> 01:41:23,050
that relates to the the frequency of the

2734
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:26,260
brainwaves and that is a pretty low

2735
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:28,690
frequency like I let's say us now

2736
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:30,850
sitting here talking to one another we

2737
01:41:36,140 --> 01:41:33,370
might be up up near 40 somewhere in that

2738
01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:36,150
area seven point eight is a pretty low

2739
01:41:42,689 --> 01:41:40,390
that is not a normal functioning state

2740
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:42,699
of consciousness if I remember my

2741
01:41:46,290 --> 01:41:44,410
reading from back in the day on that

2742
01:41:48,180 --> 01:41:46,300
correctly yeah so that would be like

2743
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:48,190
quieting the mind like a meditation or

2744
01:41:57,150 --> 01:41:55,360
very yeah much more complex then one

2745
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,160
part of the brain is doing this that's

2746
01:42:02,160 --> 01:41:58,960
what green wanted me to start doing that

2747
01:42:03,959 --> 01:42:02,170
stuff and that's what the key that I

2748
01:42:05,939 --> 01:42:03,969
think they believe is to some of this

2749
01:42:09,380 --> 01:42:05,949
and the experiencers whatever we're

2750
01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:09,390
experiencing is we have that ability to

2751
01:42:16,590 --> 01:42:13,120
go down to that frequency which tells me

2752
01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:16,600
that they also understand that whatever

2753
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,150
it is is is is dialing into the earth

2754
01:42:24,540 --> 01:42:21,360
itself the earth energy field itself

2755
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,550
yeah yeah that's where surprises

2756
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:26,320
surprises me like I've given you the

2757
01:42:29,130 --> 01:42:27,550
tape I think all you guys have the tape

2758
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,140
or we're kid green where you hear the

2759
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:31,360
kid green and you realize when you hear

2760
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:33,730
him talking with this this intuitive I

2761
01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:35,530
mean they know a lot more than what

2762
01:42:38,370 --> 01:42:36,580
they're putting out I mean they they

2763
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:38,380
have a pretty good somewhat of an idea

2764
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:40,210
of what's going on well the biggest

2765
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:42,070
thing is is whether they've they've

2766
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:47,050
actually been able to real-time when if

2767
01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:51,040
the phenomena is present see someone in

2768
01:42:55,650 --> 01:42:54,040
an experience or whatever and actually

2769
01:42:57,780 --> 01:42:55,660
down into them and see what happens

2770
01:43:00,030 --> 01:42:57,790
they're trying to figure out what

2771
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:00,040
effects people have had with

2772
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:02,110
interactions with this the effects on

2773
01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:04,449
the DNA they're trying to look at the

2774
01:43:09,420 --> 01:43:06,820
the mind itself how this plays into it

2775
01:43:10,620 --> 01:43:09,430
the next step would be to bring people

2776
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:10,630
together that have had these experiences

2777
01:43:16,530 --> 01:43:14,530
and try to see who they could find that

2778
01:43:18,670 --> 01:43:16,540
would bring this phenomenon in

2779
01:43:20,830 --> 01:43:18,680
well that's what we need to do we need

2780
01:43:25,330 --> 01:43:20,840
to get some good remote viewers in on

2781
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,340
this and no let me just tell you this

2782
01:43:29,110 --> 01:43:27,440
this is gonna sound wacky they already

2783
01:43:30,730 --> 01:43:29,120
they already have a pretty good idea who

2784
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:30,740
they want and what they want to do and

2785
01:43:33,490 --> 01:43:32,000
when they wanted to do it now I'm

2786
01:43:35,740 --> 01:43:33,500
talking about us doing it that's how we

2787
01:43:38,970 --> 01:43:35,750
can figure out what they're up to you

2788
01:43:42,610 --> 01:43:38,980
have somebody you have to have somebody

2789
01:43:43,870 --> 01:43:42,620
okay I'll give an example okay I'm gonna

2790
01:43:46,690 --> 01:43:43,880
spill the beans of something that's

2791
01:43:47,020 --> 01:43:46,700
happened to me okay and I can't explain

2792
01:43:49,930 --> 01:43:47,030
it

2793
01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:49,940
but here's here's exactly what happened

2794
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:52,910
when I was in sit on him okay I'm not

2795
01:43:56,770 --> 01:43:54,770
going to go into who I was with but they

2796
01:43:59,440 --> 01:43:56,780
worked with inside the government and at

2797
01:44:01,180 --> 01:43:59,450
one point they took me to an area where

2798
01:44:03,460 --> 01:44:01,190
there was known activity that goes on

2799
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:03,470
out there matter of fact the government

2800
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:05,840
at one point had actually bought a ranch

2801
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:08,480
up there that was a lot like skinwalker

2802
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:10,880
called the Broads Bradshaw ranch they

2803
01:44:15,490 --> 01:44:13,310
actually took it over bought it had

2804
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:15,500
people want it kept people restricted

2805
01:44:21,340 --> 01:44:18,320
from her for years there's also rumors

2806
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:21,350
there was a ium facility up there which

2807
01:44:24,850 --> 01:44:23,060
I know there was some kind of government

2808
01:44:26,620 --> 01:44:24,860
facility up there because it was a

2809
01:44:29,710 --> 01:44:26,630
scientific Air Force Base where I was

2810
01:44:32,590 --> 01:44:29,720
staged in that okay but they they had me

2811
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:32,600
come out to this area now this person

2812
01:44:38,260 --> 01:44:36,110
said normally to get an interaction with

2813
01:44:40,090 --> 01:44:38,270
something you have to do like the ce-5

2814
01:44:42,970 --> 01:44:40,100
where you have to meditate and all this

2815
01:44:45,700 --> 01:44:42,980
other stuff and I said okay so we went

2816
01:44:48,850 --> 01:44:45,710
out there and we were out there for a

2817
01:44:50,380 --> 01:44:48,860
while and nothing happens and then all

2818
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:50,390
of a sudden like when we're going to

2819
01:44:55,060 --> 01:44:52,490
pack it in we were out there maybe 45

2820
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:55,070
minutes to an hour was cold and and they

2821
01:45:00,250 --> 01:44:56,570
said well we should have had meditated

2822
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:00,260
first all of a sudden two minutes in two

2823
01:45:04,990 --> 01:45:00,770
minutes

2824
01:45:09,250 --> 01:45:05,000
temperature dropped ten degrees now iam

2825
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:09,260
meter that this person had she had they

2826
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:13,040
had bad the the temperature and e/m and

2827
01:45:22,630 --> 01:45:18,320
the ammeter pegged and then the show

2828
01:45:25,660 --> 01:45:22,640
started yeah and it was unbelievable

2829
01:45:27,220 --> 01:45:25,670
what took place and when I've been asked

2830
01:45:27,940 --> 01:45:27,230
before if I never had an experience like

2831
01:45:29,260 --> 01:45:27,950
Ben Wyatt

2832
01:45:30,070 --> 01:45:29,270
that wasn't an experience like

2833
01:45:32,770 --> 01:45:30,080
Bentwaters

2834
01:45:33,460 --> 01:45:32,780
okay I was just on duty went out into

2835
01:45:35,530 --> 01:45:33,470
the field

2836
01:45:36,940 --> 01:45:35,540
something happened twice right second

2837
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:36,950
one was a little bit weirder than the

2838
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:42,530
first this was all of a sudden there was

2839
01:45:48,570 --> 01:45:44,510
there was stuff in the sky there was

2840
01:45:53,860 --> 01:45:48,580
stuff going on okay and when we finished

2841
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:53,870
then there was video of it okay oh has

2842
01:45:59,890 --> 01:45:56,090
video of the stuff that was in the sky

2843
01:46:02,530 --> 01:45:59,900
to include triangular objects and when

2844
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:02,540
this was going on they were saying

2845
01:46:09,250 --> 01:46:04,250
there's something blue above us and

2846
01:46:12,190 --> 01:46:09,260
they've got the video of that and when

2847
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:12,200
we went back and looked at all this then

2848
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:13,850
that person looked at me because they

2849
01:46:17,380 --> 01:46:15,440
were in a remote viewing program and

2850
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:17,390
everything else and said I cannot

2851
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:20,000
believe that you're your knight inside

2852
01:46:22,710 --> 01:46:21,920
the government program working on this

2853
01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:22,720
right now

2854
01:46:33,610 --> 01:46:30,500
so who no idea who I'm talking about

2855
01:46:35,650 --> 01:46:33,620
okay okay no idea this person is okay

2856
01:46:38,230 --> 01:46:35,660
I'm just I'm just telling you I don't

2857
01:46:39,730 --> 01:46:38,240
why I don't make it up you can guess a

2858
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:39,740
thousand guess and you'll never figure

2859
01:46:44,980 --> 01:46:42,110
out who this person is okay but what I'm

2860
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:44,990
getting at is I'm not seeing what

2861
01:46:49,390 --> 01:46:47,450
happened was because I have the ability

2862
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:49,400
to draw it in but something showed up

2863
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:52,370
but what I'm saying is they've gone to

2864
01:46:59,620 --> 01:46:54,410
this level that they have people that

2865
01:47:01,930 --> 01:46:59,630
they know can have stuff come in but it

2866
01:47:03,070 --> 01:47:01,940
I don't now grant I think you said that

2867
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:03,080
you think it's everywhere

2868
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:07,360
but I think it's still certain points on

2869
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,400
the earth that that this stuff is more

2870
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:12,800
prevalent than others but but if all

2871
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:14,000
it's used to follow you around that's

2872
01:47:16,630 --> 01:47:15,230
why I'm saying at least they're on the

2873
01:47:18,700 --> 01:47:16,640
right pattern instead of just looking at

2874
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,710
UFO sightings or metal they're dealing

2875
01:47:21,790 --> 01:47:20,000
with the people who are interacting with

2876
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:21,800
the phenomena and you have some contact

2877
01:47:25,810 --> 01:47:24,170
the same as if you remember the John

2878
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:25,820
Alexander writes his second book and he

2879
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:27,290
writes one whole chapter on Chris

2880
01:47:32,230 --> 01:47:28,730
bludsoe who's a good friend of mine for

2881
01:47:35,020 --> 01:47:32,240
years and he tells the story how he gets

2882
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:35,030
asked on one interview he they said why

2883
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:37,010
would you go talk to Chris blot so he's

2884
01:47:39,250 --> 01:47:37,970
on the other side of country why would

2885
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:39,260
you go and talk to him and John

2886
01:47:43,779 --> 01:47:42,320
hesitates and he goes my sponsor asked

2887
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:43,789
me to go and see him

2888
01:47:46,779 --> 01:47:45,110
so he goes there and he tells this story

2889
01:47:48,129 --> 01:47:46,789
he writes an entire chapter in the book

2890
01:47:49,779 --> 01:47:48,139
about it where he's standing with Chris

2891
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:49,789
blood so at the top of the hill where

2892
01:47:54,370 --> 01:47:52,489
Chris had the first experience in 2007

2893
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:54,380
this dramatic thing with the aliens and

2894
01:47:57,879 --> 01:47:56,090
the 14 UFOs and all this kind of stuff

2895
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:57,889
and he's sitting there and and they're

2896
01:48:02,620 --> 01:47:59,840
leaning against the car and all of a

2897
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:02,630
sudden Chris says you're here and John

2898
01:48:06,279 --> 01:48:04,250
says we mean they're here they're here I

2899
01:48:07,839 --> 01:48:06,289
know they're here they're round and John

2900
01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:07,849
says well how do you know that he said I

2901
01:48:10,930 --> 01:48:09,110
just know John I know they're here and

2902
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:10,940
John says boom this thing appears over

2903
01:48:14,350 --> 01:48:12,800
his head and goes flying off and John

2904
01:48:16,089 --> 01:48:14,360
said it just he wrote an entire chapter

2905
01:48:17,319 --> 01:48:16,099
he's just blown away by this and that's

2906
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:17,329
the whole thing if you want to know how

2907
01:48:21,370 --> 01:48:19,250
the experience works you go to people

2908
01:48:22,660 --> 01:48:21,380
like you or Chris or somebody people who

2909
01:48:24,459 --> 01:48:22,670
are interacting with the phenomena

2910
01:48:25,930 --> 01:48:24,469
because they don't seem to be talking to

2911
01:48:27,399 --> 01:48:25,940
the government but they are interacting

2912
01:48:28,990 --> 01:48:27,409
with people and that's the only way I

2913
01:48:31,029 --> 01:48:29,000
say that you're going to figure it and

2914
01:48:32,379 --> 01:48:31,039
at least Green and Nolan and these guys

2915
01:48:33,879 --> 01:48:32,389
are on the right track they're talking

2916
01:48:36,459 --> 01:48:33,889
to the right people and asking the right

2917
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,469
questions are great really quick you

2918
01:48:39,609 --> 01:48:38,000
know where you've met Bledsoe right you

2919
01:48:40,180 --> 01:48:39,619
know this guy a little bit yes a couple

2920
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:40,190
times yes

2921
01:48:47,259 --> 01:48:43,250
okay okay now a number of years back he

2922
01:48:49,629 --> 01:48:47,269
did a show I believe it was I was a

2923
01:48:51,729 --> 01:48:49,639
MUFON show when karien was still running

2924
01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:51,739
MUFON yum carrion was like the lead

2925
01:48:56,830 --> 01:48:53,750
investigator and they went down there

2926
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:56,840
and to be to be blunt about it he came

2927
01:49:01,390 --> 01:48:59,119
off very badly on that show I can you

2928
01:49:03,339 --> 01:49:01,400
can you explain all that he came off

2929
01:49:05,709 --> 01:49:03,349
badly on the lie detector when you do a

2930
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:05,719
lie detector you basically go with one

2931
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:08,000
question and that's the best if you look

2932
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:09,650
at the the more questions you asked on a

2933
01:49:14,979 --> 01:49:11,570
lie detector so what happened they went

2934
01:49:16,540 --> 01:49:14,989
down there and they asked him he was

2935
01:49:17,770 --> 01:49:16,550
there supposed to meet at his house he's

2936
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:17,780
sitting there waiting for him to come to

2937
01:49:22,029 --> 01:49:19,730
the house and then they phone and they

2938
01:49:24,250 --> 01:49:22,039
say can you come we need you to come to

2939
01:49:25,390 --> 01:49:24,260
the whole to the hotel so he walks and

2940
01:49:27,490 --> 01:49:25,400
he walks in the front door of the hotel

2941
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:27,500
and they said we want you to come in

2942
01:49:31,029 --> 01:49:29,210
this room and they walked in the

2943
01:49:32,350 --> 01:49:31,039
lie-detector guy who was there and he

2944
01:49:34,959 --> 01:49:32,360
was just shocked like what's going on

2945
01:49:37,149 --> 01:49:34,969
here and and he I was asked 32 questions

2946
01:49:38,799 --> 01:49:37,159
and went on for three hours a lie

2947
01:49:40,270 --> 01:49:38,809
detector for three hours and they said

2948
01:49:41,919 --> 01:49:40,280
that he was evasive on one of the

2949
01:49:43,689 --> 01:49:41,929
questions I mean nobody gives a lead

2950
01:49:46,270 --> 01:49:43,699
lie-detector for three for three hours

2951
01:49:48,549 --> 01:49:46,280
they just took him totally off off so

2952
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:48,559
when when it when they got the files

2953
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:50,690
then Chris went back and he said I want

2954
01:49:54,580 --> 01:49:52,639
all the files didn't have a single file

2955
01:49:57,370 --> 01:49:54,590
they've lost all the files on this whole

2956
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:57,380
case so you have what they have I mean

2957
01:50:00,910 --> 01:49:58,880
I've been with him I have I was with him

2958
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,920
with an event that happened when I was

2959
01:50:04,270 --> 01:50:02,960
with him almost like John it was one of

2960
01:50:06,820 --> 01:50:04,280
the most bizarre things that I have in

2961
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:06,830
my life I can name a pile people who

2962
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:09,290
have had healing he healed somebody

2963
01:50:13,629 --> 01:50:11,570
right in front of me in in Maine I've

2964
01:50:15,970 --> 01:50:13,639
seen him do all these weird things I've

2965
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:15,980
seen videos lots he's got piles and

2966
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,570
piles and piles of videos he actually

2967
01:50:20,890 --> 01:50:19,520
gave me a lot he allowed me to use it I

2968
01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:20,900
said well I really don't know how to

2969
01:50:25,570 --> 01:50:22,820
analyze these videos they have these

2970
01:50:27,070 --> 01:50:25,580
professors from universities I am pretty

2971
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:27,080
sure the president the White House has

2972
01:50:30,340 --> 01:50:28,489
been involved with him all the

2973
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:30,350
intelligence agencies I've seen some of

2974
01:50:34,689 --> 01:50:32,719
the films of the videos where they they

2975
01:50:36,879 --> 01:50:34,699
set him up underneath this tree and

2976
01:50:38,350 --> 01:50:36,889
they've got this they're filming the

2977
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:38,360
whole thing they're taping it

2978
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:40,489
he's university professors there's a lot

2979
01:50:43,899 --> 01:50:41,750
of stuff that people really don't know

2980
01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:43,909
about about his story I can just say for

2981
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:46,190
myself I was with him when I saw it I've

2982
01:50:50,890 --> 01:50:49,250
seen the whole story and that one bad

2983
01:50:52,930 --> 01:50:50,900
thing but it was basically the part that

2984
01:50:54,610 --> 01:50:52,940
people don't know it was 33 questions

2985
01:50:56,649 --> 01:50:54,620
and I think they asked it for three

2986
01:50:58,959 --> 01:50:56,659
times it went for three hours at that

2987
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,969
lie-detector test he was totally blown

2988
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:00,800
away by what by what how they set this

2989
01:51:05,490 --> 01:51:03,170
whole thing up so uh did you ask him

2990
01:51:10,570 --> 01:51:05,500
about that show because basically it's a

2991
01:51:14,590 --> 01:51:10,580
the major video document of him and his

2992
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:14,600
claims and you know again but there's no

2993
01:51:19,330 --> 01:51:16,489
all it was was the lie detector the rest

2994
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:19,340
of the show was just his story okay the

2995
01:51:25,209 --> 01:51:21,170
problem Frank is here at this in all

2996
01:51:27,729 --> 01:51:25,219
honesty okay you have you have things

2997
01:51:30,430 --> 01:51:27,739
that happen that you can't explain okay

2998
01:51:33,899 --> 01:51:30,440
like Bentwaters what happened up that

2999
01:51:36,459 --> 01:51:33,909
night in Sedona okay um it's easy

3000
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:36,469
because you don't have a reference point

3001
01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:38,480
to whatever you see whatever you have to

3002
01:51:43,209 --> 01:51:41,060
discredit or to say well it's an unknown

3003
01:51:44,919 --> 01:51:43,219
ultimately the best year we're gonna get

3004
01:51:47,500 --> 01:51:44,929
out of these videos and stuff is just an

3005
01:51:49,959 --> 01:51:47,510
unknown because no one's given the data

3006
01:51:52,510 --> 01:51:49,969
out to what the unknown could be no you

3007
01:51:55,419 --> 01:51:52,520
know what I mean but what I do know is

3008
01:51:58,689 --> 01:51:55,429
this I was told that some of the people

3009
01:52:01,540 --> 01:51:58,699
from skinwalker military-wise were

3010
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:01,550
followed to after the what their

3011
01:52:06,939 --> 01:52:03,770
encounter they had and had encounters

3012
01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:06,949
afterwards off from the left a ranch and

3013
01:52:10,819 --> 01:52:10,340
had some stuff to include a Navy Intel

3014
01:52:13,279 --> 01:52:10,829
office

3015
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:13,289
or that had issues through including the

3016
01:52:17,989 --> 01:52:15,530
fact that it affected his family also

3017
01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:17,999
but that's that's very common joy I mean

3018
01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:19,409
that's where they're hyping this stuff

3019
01:52:25,009 --> 01:52:22,289
like it's it's this you know hitchhiker

3020
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,019
and these guys had this stuff you know

3021
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,119
wine bottles flying around the room and

3022
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:28,800
they're the roommates had to move out it

3023
01:52:31,159 --> 01:52:29,550
was so dramatic

3024
01:52:32,810 --> 01:52:31,169
that happens with almost every single

3025
01:52:35,540 --> 01:52:32,820
experience or it happens it happened in

3026
01:52:36,919 --> 01:52:35,550
the Canadian government case with the

3027
01:52:40,270 --> 01:52:36,929
Canadian government was using a woman by

3028
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:40,280
a name of Francis Swan this is in this

3029
01:52:45,079 --> 01:52:43,050
1975 documentary that was done by Robert

3030
01:52:46,729 --> 01:52:45,089
emmenecker the story about she teaches

3031
01:52:49,279 --> 01:52:46,739
this Navy intelligence guy how to

3032
01:52:51,319 --> 01:52:49,289
channel how to talk to this alien by the

3033
01:52:53,209 --> 01:52:51,329
name of Alpha he goes back and Jacques

3034
01:52:58,069 --> 01:52:53,219
Vallee gave me the document goes back to

3035
01:52:59,779 --> 01:52:58,079
the the the national photographic

3036
01:53:01,819 --> 01:52:59,789
interpretation Center where art Lundell

3037
01:53:03,649 --> 01:53:01,829
who was the guy before kit green that

3038
01:53:05,060 --> 01:53:03,659
had the job before kit Green was very

3039
01:53:07,009 --> 01:53:05,070
interested in UFOs and they do this

3040
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:07,019
channeling thing where this alien or the

3041
01:53:16,699 --> 01:53:15,439
robert friend does it on the documentary

3042
01:53:18,169 --> 01:53:16,709
he said was the most dramatic thing he'd

3043
01:53:19,639 --> 01:53:18,179
ever seen in blue book so they teach

3044
01:53:21,259 --> 01:53:19,649
this guy to dance that was in the

3045
01:53:22,759 --> 01:53:21,269
emmenecker documentary right that was

3046
01:53:24,409 --> 01:53:22,769
the nominator document so they teach

3047
01:53:26,209 --> 01:53:24,419
she teaches this navy intelligence guy

3048
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:26,219
to do it and then there's this article

3049
01:53:29,689 --> 01:53:27,570
comes out and i went back to francis

3050
01:53:32,029 --> 01:53:29,699
want to confirm this this guy comes back

3051
01:53:33,859 --> 01:53:32,039
in the 1980s and he said they're all

3052
01:53:35,060 --> 01:53:33,869
over me get rid of them i can't get rid

3053
01:53:36,589 --> 01:53:35,070
of them they're driving me crazy

3054
01:53:38,060 --> 01:53:36,599
whatever and she said i told you not to

3055
01:53:39,859 --> 01:53:38,070
deal with the evil ones and she starts

3056
01:53:41,899 --> 01:53:39,869
on this thing so this hitchhiker thing

3057
01:53:43,879 --> 01:53:41,909
in fact Linda had the story it was told

3058
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:43,889
on your show John about this guy this

3059
01:53:50,659 --> 01:53:48,570
guy from Nebraska who was this priest

3060
01:53:52,579 --> 01:53:50,669
guy where the the guys come in they're

3061
01:53:55,729 --> 01:53:52,589
they're interacting with this the the

3062
01:53:57,949 --> 01:53:55,739
the nine the the aliens the nine this

3063
01:54:00,079 --> 01:53:57,959
guy from the CIA that brought uri geller

3064
01:54:02,089 --> 01:54:00,089
to america and they're doing this sort

3065
01:54:04,879 --> 01:54:02,099
of thing and it goes south and they come

3066
01:54:07,129 --> 01:54:04,889
in this they come to this roman catholic

3067
01:54:09,049 --> 01:54:07,139
priest and they they say can you stop

3068
01:54:10,609 --> 01:54:09,059
this and it sort of had they were trying

3069
01:54:12,379 --> 01:54:10,619
to weaponize the information they were

3070
01:54:13,369 --> 01:54:12,389
getting and it all gone south on them

3071
01:54:14,329 --> 01:54:13,379
and they were there trying to get this

3072
01:54:16,069 --> 01:54:14,339
guy to stop it

3073
01:54:17,929 --> 01:54:16,079
so this hitchhiker phenomena is very

3074
01:54:20,179 --> 01:54:17,939
common everybody why right in the

3075
01:54:23,899 --> 01:54:20,189
channeling part grant and my hypnosis

3076
01:54:24,610 --> 01:54:23,909
that okay an 88 that was done and guess

3077
01:54:26,770 --> 01:54:24,620
who was behind

3078
01:54:29,500 --> 01:54:26,780
it was partly behind it was Emma Nagar

3079
01:54:32,500 --> 01:54:29,510
was behind it in the group including

3080
01:54:36,460 --> 01:54:32,510
some people in technology anyway I

3081
01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:36,470
actually channeled to the whatever it

3082
01:54:44,650 --> 01:54:42,590
was that we dealt with I'll add a piece

3083
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:44,660
to that story if me and agar was like in

3084
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:45,440
all these things you have the

3085
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:46,610
intelligence guy and then you have the

3086
01:54:49,870 --> 01:54:48,170
worker Emma Nagar was just a worker he

3087
01:54:51,070 --> 01:54:49,880
was just a guy who wrote the music and

3088
01:54:53,290 --> 01:54:51,080
wrote the scripts and all this kind of

3089
01:54:55,210 --> 01:54:53,300
stuff it was it was Alan Sandler who was

3090
01:54:56,530 --> 01:54:55,220
the CIA connection and when your

3091
01:54:58,210 --> 01:54:56,540
interview took place I'm pretty sure it

3092
01:54:59,710 --> 01:54:58,220
was the same one they said we need we

3093
01:55:02,230 --> 01:54:59,720
need we need someone to do a regression

3094
01:55:03,550 --> 01:55:02,240
we need we need somebody and and Emma

3095
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:03,560
Nagar said hang on let me make a phone

3096
01:55:06,820 --> 01:55:05,360
call and he phones the CIA and they got

3097
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:06,830
two guys immediately just boom like that

3098
01:55:11,950 --> 01:55:09,110
and now we're a lot of this done right

3099
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:11,960
and the thing was is that I channeled to

3100
01:55:15,670 --> 01:55:13,910
whatever it was I had a conversation

3101
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:15,680
with it it's freaky

3102
01:55:19,540 --> 01:55:17,930
that's why I what was the experience

3103
01:55:22,300 --> 01:55:19,550
about that can you talk about that no I

3104
01:55:25,540 --> 01:55:22,310
won't because if you think Rendlesham is

3105
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:25,550
a mess just let that be yeah that'll

3106
01:55:30,970 --> 01:55:28,010
stir things up oh yeah no I've kept that

3107
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:30,980
quiet um the only people I mean let me

3108
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:32,930
ask you this did John that was it was it

3109
01:55:38,350 --> 01:55:36,050
positive okay only thing I'll tell you

3110
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:38,360
it's out there on the Internet there was

3111
01:55:46,510 --> 01:55:40,970
a clip that Lynda put out she did it in

3112
01:55:49,930 --> 01:55:46,520
a presentation where I was asked a

3113
01:55:53,170 --> 01:55:49,940
question as I was talking to it and the

3114
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:53,180
life form was the energy itself that we

3115
01:55:59,800 --> 01:55:56,330
were dealing with there yeah yeah that

3116
01:56:00,970 --> 01:55:59,810
exactly but I actually was believe it or

3117
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:00,980
not whatever you want to do with

3118
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:02,690
hypnosis and I always like so I'm wired

3119
01:56:08,350 --> 01:56:05,840
careful I actually was channeling to

3120
01:56:10,330 --> 01:56:08,360
whatever this was and it made two

3121
01:56:12,820 --> 01:56:10,340
circles inside the intelligence agencies

3122
01:56:14,410 --> 01:56:12,830
because I got told later and Emma Nagar

3123
01:56:16,450 --> 01:56:14,420
was in the middle of it and the other

3124
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:16,460
thing that you may not know grant was

3125
01:56:22,420 --> 01:56:18,320
Rendlesham was supposed to go in at UFO

3126
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:22,430
cover-up live happy they pulled it they

3127
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:24,290
had better plans for it they said down

3128
01:56:29,590 --> 01:56:27,050
the road did Green did green or NOLA

3129
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:29,600
never comment on your did they see that

3130
01:56:33,340 --> 01:56:31,370
the channeling thing do you have any

3131
01:56:34,090 --> 01:56:33,350
comment oh you know I'm but put off them

3132
01:56:36,460 --> 01:56:34,100
all about it

3133
01:56:38,169 --> 01:56:36,470
when I met with them we were talking

3134
01:56:40,839 --> 01:56:38,179
about it so put off you

3135
01:56:43,239 --> 01:56:40,849
all about the video and in he was

3136
01:56:46,239 --> 01:56:43,249
briefed on it way back in 80 in the 80s

3137
01:56:49,149 --> 01:56:46,249
interesting so I don't know what to make

3138
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:49,159
of this guys there's something to it but

3139
01:56:53,319 --> 01:56:51,199
I guess at the end of the day my final

3140
01:56:54,910 --> 01:56:53,329
analysis is we're not going to get a

3141
01:57:00,339 --> 01:56:54,920
straight answer I don't think for a long

3142
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:00,349
time from you though yeah yeah

3143
01:57:04,209 --> 01:57:02,090
absolutely and get into what Frank was

3144
01:57:06,459 --> 01:57:04,219
saying they say that your encounter in

3145
01:57:09,759 --> 01:57:06,469
Sedona would you how how did you

3146
01:57:11,890 --> 01:57:09,769
perceive that I mean it was simply what

3147
01:57:14,890 --> 01:57:11,900
he just said Alexander had saw happen

3148
01:57:17,859 --> 01:57:14,900
there was stuff everywhere yeah there

3149
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:17,869
was stuff in the distance then it some

3150
01:57:21,459 --> 01:57:19,130
of them got closer and then there was

3151
01:57:22,959 --> 01:57:21,469
something over us and and then the

3152
01:57:25,299 --> 01:57:22,969
pictures and and everything that were

3153
01:57:26,890 --> 01:57:25,309
taken showed that someone was triangular

3154
01:57:29,319 --> 01:57:26,900
objects that you couldn't see with the

3155
01:57:31,390 --> 01:57:29,329
naked eye and there was two large

3156
01:57:34,060 --> 01:57:31,400
triangular objects along with some of

3157
01:57:36,129 --> 01:57:34,070
the smaller blue objects and then

3158
01:57:38,859 --> 01:57:36,139
there's whatever this was it was

3159
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:38,869
counterclockwise changing color that was

3160
01:57:43,540 --> 01:57:41,090
over the top of us well we ever did see

3161
01:57:45,370 --> 01:57:43,550
that or is that is that class my stuff

3162
01:57:47,049 --> 01:57:45,380
that was taken by the person who was

3163
01:57:49,439 --> 01:57:47,059
there and but that's in private hands

3164
01:57:53,370 --> 01:57:49,449
though not not in the military hands oh

3165
01:57:56,020 --> 01:57:53,380
well can't say that okay

3166
01:57:58,179 --> 01:57:56,030
here's my point if there's something

3167
01:58:00,219 --> 01:57:58,189
operational if there's something of

3168
01:58:05,890 --> 01:58:00,229
relevance the military has their hands

3169
01:58:10,029 --> 01:58:05,900
on it okay yeah that's all I'm counters

3170
01:58:12,879 --> 01:58:10,039
like that sense no that was the arm that

3171
01:58:14,379 --> 01:58:12,889
was the only time that um we went to

3172
01:58:17,410 --> 01:58:14,389
that spot a couple other times and saw

3173
01:58:21,069 --> 01:58:17,420
strange stuff in the sky and and towards

3174
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:21,079
Cottonwood but that night was the night

3175
01:58:25,509 --> 01:58:23,090
they like I said the temperature dropped

3176
01:58:28,270 --> 01:58:25,519
10 degrees within two minutes the

3177
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:28,280
ammeter pegged and it was just like it

3178
01:58:32,469 --> 01:58:30,650
went from dead nothing to stuff was

3179
01:58:36,189 --> 01:58:32,479
everywhere and this went on for a good

3180
01:58:38,410 --> 01:58:36,199
30 to 45 minutes do you think I want to

3181
01:58:40,660 --> 01:58:38,420
use people to bring bring this phenomena

3182
01:58:41,949 --> 01:58:40,670
in or if you heard they put George Knapp

3183
01:58:44,919 --> 01:58:41,959
in the middle of the field do you think

3184
01:58:47,469 --> 01:58:44,929
they have idea is to put experiencers

3185
01:58:49,689 --> 01:58:47,479
and try to attract the phenomena okay

3186
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:49,699
let me just give you a hypothetical for

3187
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:50,719
now okay

3188
01:58:54,660 --> 01:58:51,730
if this is

3189
01:58:57,300 --> 01:58:54,670
all real okay and I say yeah because I

3190
01:58:58,860 --> 01:58:57,310
got no way to prove this so I'm not I'm

3191
01:59:01,920 --> 01:58:58,870
not a hundred percent behind anything

3192
01:59:03,570 --> 01:59:01,930
trust but verify right but yeah wouldn't

3193
01:59:05,610 --> 01:59:03,580
that be the logical thing to do with

3194
01:59:08,010 --> 01:59:05,620
whatever it is eventually get the best

3195
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:08,020
candidates whoever they are you know

3196
01:59:12,420 --> 01:59:10,510
what I mean together in a certain spot

3197
01:59:14,310 --> 01:59:12,430
when you know something's going on and

3198
01:59:16,770 --> 01:59:14,320
see what happens it's all my point is

3199
01:59:18,090 --> 01:59:16,780
yeah I hate to use this analogy but if

3200
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:18,100
you want to catch a fish you got to use

3201
01:59:24,990 --> 01:59:23,050
the right bait when I got the story

3202
01:59:27,150 --> 01:59:25,000
behind the scenes I said you were you

3203
01:59:28,380 --> 01:59:27,160
were being used George but here what's

3204
01:59:30,570 --> 01:59:28,390
the other interesting thing though that

3205
01:59:32,910 --> 01:59:30,580
you guys may not know about okay grant

3206
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:32,920
you may know Davis when I went down

3207
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:34,810
there meant were put off they were

3208
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:36,850
pushing for my DNA again and I told him

3209
01:59:43,860 --> 01:59:40,810
no at that point but um Davis had an

3210
01:59:46,650 --> 01:59:43,870
experience and he actually talked in a

3211
01:59:47,910 --> 01:59:46,660
different language he got close to it

3212
01:59:50,970 --> 01:59:47,920
and something happened to him and

3213
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:50,980
affected him and so they're telling me

3214
01:59:55,110 --> 01:59:53,170
this and then I look at him and I says

3215
01:59:57,780 --> 01:59:55,120
so what what what has come back on your

3216
01:59:59,310 --> 01:59:57,790
DNA stuff and it was like when he was

3217
02:00:01,890 --> 01:59:59,320
telling me he was like in a trance and

3218
02:00:04,229 --> 02:00:01,900
he snapped out of it he says well we

3219
02:00:09,150 --> 02:00:04,239
haven't gone that far with me yet and I

3220
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:09,160
go wait a minute you're on interaction

3221
02:00:12,930 --> 02:00:11,770
with this you were you haven't stuff

3222
02:00:16,290 --> 02:00:12,940
spew out of your mouth like

3223
02:00:18,510 --> 02:00:16,300
communications type stuff that you don't

3224
02:00:20,250 --> 02:00:18,520
know what it is for sure and you're not

3225
02:00:22,620 --> 02:00:20,260
in the study and you're not trying to

3226
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:22,630
figure out what now to feckin you and

3227
02:00:26,580 --> 02:00:24,130
you wouldn't give me a straight answer

3228
02:00:27,780 --> 02:00:26,590
after that yeah yeah and that's

3229
02:00:29,550 --> 02:00:27,790
something that people forget is that

3230
02:00:30,690 --> 02:00:29,560
when they talk about skinwalker ranch it

3231
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:30,700
wasn't that everybody was having

3232
02:00:35,610 --> 02:00:33,250
experiences because George said he

3233
02:00:37,860 --> 02:00:35,620
didn't have any experiences but the main

3234
02:00:39,479 --> 02:00:37,870
guy was having the experiences was Erik

3235
02:00:41,850 --> 02:00:39,489
Davis and that would make sense that

3236
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:41,860
it's attracted to it maybe at the spot

3237
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:44,170
but it's attracted to him because he had

3238
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:46,330
this experience delight sighting in

3239
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:48,910
whatever was 1991 when he graduated with

3240
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:50,830
his PhD at his graduation party he tells

3241
02:00:55,310 --> 02:00:52,510
that story about him and his wife seeing

3242
02:00:57,450 --> 02:00:55,320
this boomerang object come come over so

3243
02:00:58,979 --> 02:00:57,460
does because your skinwalker ranch

3244
02:01:01,020 --> 02:00:58,989
doesn't mean you're going to see

3245
02:01:03,300 --> 02:01:01,030
something it seems to have something to

3246
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:03,310
do with the individuals as well it does

3247
02:01:08,979 --> 02:01:05,360
it appears and that was that was the

3248
02:01:11,169 --> 02:01:08,989
to catch a skinwalker yeah they're

3249
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:11,179
trying to figure out how to communicate

3250
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:14,210
with this that part I believe there's

3251
02:01:17,770 --> 02:01:16,010
something to this and they want to

3252
02:01:20,109 --> 02:01:17,780
figure out how to communicate with this

3253
02:01:22,089 --> 02:01:20,119
and whatever else they've got on their

3254
02:01:24,370 --> 02:01:22,099
mind I don't know but what I do believe

3255
02:01:27,430 --> 02:01:24,380
they are and I think they're looking for

3256
02:01:29,410 --> 02:01:27,440
people that can do that that much I

3257
02:01:31,439 --> 02:01:29,420
believe do you think it'll go to the

3258
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:31,449
black or do you think that Nolan and

3259
02:01:36,399 --> 02:01:33,650
ballet and people will be able to keep

3260
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:36,409
it wait here's what I was told they

3261
02:01:41,859 --> 02:01:38,570
don't want this to go to the black but

3262
02:01:46,810 --> 02:01:41,869
again what doesn't go black if it's a

3263
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:46,820
national security issue yeah I'm Miss

3264
02:01:52,930 --> 02:01:49,010
Dolly that's my point thinking about all

3265
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:52,940
these programs they just you okay let's

3266
02:01:57,399 --> 02:01:54,770
look let me give you example let's say

3267
02:02:00,580 --> 02:01:57,409
whatever this is they could communicate

3268
02:02:03,729 --> 02:02:00,590
with it would that not be huge I'd be

3269
02:02:06,220 --> 02:02:03,739
insane and would not air another thing

3270
02:02:10,799 --> 02:02:06,230
is how is it doing the communication is

3271
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:10,809
this a natural talent like a let's say

3272
02:02:16,959 --> 02:02:14,690
comparing a possible et psychic ability

3273
02:02:19,149 --> 02:02:16,969
to say something I like a dolphin which

3274
02:02:21,609 --> 02:02:19,159
can use echolocation or is it a

3275
02:02:23,470 --> 02:02:21,619
technology that they have that allows

3276
02:02:25,089 --> 02:02:23,480
them to do that well that's why they're

3277
02:02:29,979 --> 02:02:25,099
studying the DNA in the brain in my

3278
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:29,989
opinion can I ask how do you stop Nolan

3279
02:02:32,890 --> 02:02:31,130
I could see you could stop put off

3280
02:02:34,419 --> 02:02:32,900
because he's got you know contracts and

3281
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:34,429
stuff but how do you stop Nolan if he

3282
02:02:38,919 --> 02:02:37,520
decides he's going to go public and he's

3283
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:38,929
going to put it out through

3284
02:02:46,299 --> 02:02:40,400
peer-reviewed papers how do you start he

3285
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:46,309
shot him down okay this is where I don't

3286
02:02:50,859 --> 02:02:48,590
want to speculate too much okay they

3287
02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:50,869
kept the nuclear bomb they brought these

3288
02:02:55,839 --> 02:02:53,570
scientists in and all of a sudden they

3289
02:03:00,990 --> 02:02:55,849
took them underground and they developed

3290
02:03:13,209 --> 02:03:05,290
what exactly where or how the government

3291
02:03:17,799 --> 02:03:13,219
would handle this but to me they always

3292
02:03:18,770 --> 02:03:17,809
find a way to keep things covered up to

3293
02:03:24,770 --> 02:03:18,780
there

3294
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:24,780
so I can't tell you exactly exactly how

3295
02:03:31,130 --> 02:03:29,010
or what and I don't believe no one is so

3296
02:03:32,300 --> 02:03:31,140
I make it clear Casey listen to this I

3297
02:03:34,670 --> 02:03:32,310
don't believe these part of the

3298
02:03:36,980 --> 02:03:34,680
government program but how many times

3299
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:36,990
does the government come in and funding

3300
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:38,850
scientists and give them money don't

3301
02:03:42,410 --> 02:03:40,770
tell them exactly what they want then

3302
02:03:45,110 --> 02:03:42,420
they do the work and they take it and

3303
02:03:48,140 --> 02:03:45,120
say thank you very much and move on and

3304
02:03:50,330 --> 02:03:48,150
they have somebody else analyze it and

3305
02:03:52,340 --> 02:03:50,340
take it from there and only the best of

3306
02:03:55,940 --> 02:03:52,350
the best when there's no one else out

3307
02:03:58,460 --> 02:03:55,950
there that can put it together and stuff

3308
02:04:00,620 --> 02:03:58,470
is brought into the inner circle and

3309
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:00,630
then you have to be real careful with

3310
02:04:05,300 --> 02:04:02,730
them do you understand what I mean yeah

3311
02:04:07,460 --> 02:04:05,310
so I know that's a good point

3312
02:04:09,020 --> 02:04:07,470
I don't know because Nolan told me that

3313
02:04:11,150 --> 02:04:09,030
he wanted to do it right he was gonna

3314
02:04:12,590 --> 02:04:11,160
take two years and it was gonna be a

3315
02:04:14,690 --> 02:04:12,600
peer-reviewed paper do you think if a

3316
02:04:17,300 --> 02:04:14,700
peer-reviewed paper comes out they can

3317
02:04:19,700 --> 02:04:17,310
still move it around and move back into

3318
02:04:21,290 --> 02:04:19,710
the well the other world two things they

3319
02:04:23,300 --> 02:04:21,300
can block the paper for national

3320
02:04:25,580 --> 02:04:23,310
security issues or they can do what you

3321
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:25,590
say plausible deniability they could put

3322
02:04:29,090 --> 02:04:27,090
something out there that makes them look

3323
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:29,100
crazy and no one will help them anyway

3324
02:04:35,540 --> 02:04:33,090
or they can just read it and take it to

3325
02:04:37,610 --> 02:04:35,550
whatever level they want to take think

3326
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:37,620
about this how many people took put off

3327
02:04:43,730 --> 02:04:40,800
paper serious in 2010 or 11 and really

3328
02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:43,740
looked at it very closely but now that

3329
02:04:46,940 --> 02:04:45,390
they came out last year with all this

3330
02:04:48,460 --> 02:04:46,950
and to the Stars now more people are

3331
02:04:50,780 --> 02:04:48,470
looking at that technology and

3332
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:50,790
warp-drive and all these articles have

3333
02:04:54,650 --> 02:04:52,890
started to come out and the plasmas and

3334
02:04:56,750 --> 02:04:54,660
all that other stuff but up until two

3335
02:04:59,000 --> 02:04:56,760
three years ago mother this was headline

3336
02:05:01,550 --> 02:04:59,010
news but now all of a sudden it is and

3337
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:01,560
it's starting to gain traction different

3338
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:03,090
articles are being written about it the

3339
02:05:07,370 --> 02:05:05,280
technology is being talked about but

3340
02:05:09,410 --> 02:05:07,380
none of that's being discussed under the

3341
02:05:11,690 --> 02:05:09,420
ET or UFO phenomenon

3342
02:05:13,700 --> 02:05:11,700
so are you ap phenomenon it's just

3343
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:13,710
advances and technology and where things

3344
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:16,320
are going and could we go to the stars

3345
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:20,010
using this technology can enhance join

3346
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:21,360
join a question have you heard about the

3347
02:05:26,030 --> 02:05:24,330
cosmic group cosmic club how many people

3348
02:05:28,430 --> 02:05:26,040
are in it who's involved what they're up

3349
02:05:30,370 --> 02:05:28,440
to you know I haven't I haven't heard

3350
02:05:32,700 --> 02:05:30,380
anything about that

3351
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:32,710
well I grant what do you know about it

3352
02:05:41,100 --> 02:05:35,930
well I just heard I heard there was a

3353
02:05:43,870 --> 02:05:41,110
semi van had mentioned more fired 4050

3354
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:43,880
Diane pasola has talked about this sort

3355
02:05:48,160 --> 02:05:46,490
of group where you know academics it's

3356
02:05:49,690 --> 02:05:48,170
almost the idea of the Avery it's not an

3357
02:05:52,030 --> 02:05:49,700
actual group it's just a bunch of people

3358
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:52,040
who find comfort in talking to people

3359
02:05:57,490 --> 02:05:54,250
almost like an experience or group for

3360
02:05:59,590 --> 02:05:57,500
high level academics and scientists

3361
02:06:02,560 --> 02:05:59,600
where they can talk privately among

3362
02:06:04,180 --> 02:06:02,570
themselves without being outed that's my

3363
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:04,190
impression of what what these guys are

3364
02:06:09,190 --> 02:06:06,650
sounds like an invisible college kind of

3365
02:06:10,930 --> 02:06:09,200
thing yeah like yeah and and I did the

3366
02:06:14,050 --> 02:06:10,940
numbers seem to be getting bigger every

3367
02:06:15,580 --> 02:06:14,060
time I hear about it and what you're

3368
02:06:17,290 --> 02:06:15,590
saying yeah

3369
02:06:19,110 --> 02:06:17,300
where they can sort of talk where they I

3370
02:06:21,940 --> 02:06:19,120
mean I've I've heard cry pole and

3371
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:21,950
pisanka and there's a religion professor

3372
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:27,050
from Harvard and you know where if if

3373
02:06:32,110 --> 02:06:28,730
the they want to move in there and

3374
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:32,120
exactly like diamond sulcus good friends

3375
02:06:35,140 --> 02:06:33,650
with Jacques Vallee so you've got these

3376
02:06:37,150 --> 02:06:35,150
connections where if they need something

3377
02:06:38,890 --> 02:06:37,160
they can come in to an academic and talk

3378
02:06:40,090 --> 02:06:38,900
to an academic about it can you help us

3379
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:40,100
through this or that they're not

3380
02:06:43,090 --> 02:06:41,690
officially a part of anything and

3381
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:43,100
they're trying to just like you and I

3382
02:06:46,690 --> 02:06:45,050
they're trying to you know get as close

3383
02:06:49,090 --> 02:06:46,700
to it as they can d'leh getting dragged

3384
02:06:50,590 --> 02:06:49,100
in and sworn to secrecy and find out

3385
02:06:51,820 --> 02:06:50,600
what's going on because you sort of try

3386
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:51,830
trying to figure out who's got the

3387
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:53,690
answers and where can you figure out

3388
02:06:55,140 --> 02:06:54,650
because you're trying to figure it out

3389
02:06:57,820 --> 02:06:55,150
yourself

3390
02:06:59,320 --> 02:06:57,830
right know it makes sense you have the

3391
02:07:01,900 --> 02:06:59,330
the brightest of the bright get together

3392
02:07:04,150 --> 02:07:01,910
and think and thing but I mean if you go

3393
02:07:07,570 --> 02:07:04,160
back and look at a NASA stuff their

3394
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:07,580
stuff 40 years ago 30 years ago that

3395
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:09,890
they were talking about to include

3396
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:12,530
global warming or climate change and why

3397
02:07:16,420 --> 02:07:14,690
we needed to get off this planet why we

3398
02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:16,430
needed to go forward some of the things

3399
02:07:21,010 --> 02:07:18,350
that could happen and these think tanks

3400
02:07:23,230 --> 02:07:21,020
were getting together every year and and

3401
02:07:24,730 --> 02:07:23,240
when I confronted Davis about that he

3402
02:07:26,110 --> 02:07:24,740
said he knew the majority of the people

3403
02:07:28,450 --> 02:07:26,120
that were involved in these programs and

3404
02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:28,460
then when he got older he was involved

3405
02:07:32,620 --> 02:07:30,710
so yeah there's no doubt I'm sure

3406
02:07:34,630 --> 02:07:32,630
they're working on all this stuff yeah

3407
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:34,640
Davis is a key guy that I think you got

3408
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:36,890
to watch I mean he from my experience he

3409
02:07:41,380 --> 02:07:39,410
knows a lot more and he's he's more

3410
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:41,390
obsessed with this subject than probably

3411
02:07:45,290 --> 02:07:43,050
any of us are he's he's really

3412
02:07:46,940 --> 02:07:45,300
into it and he's a smart guy and he's

3413
02:07:50,260 --> 02:07:46,950
got an intelligence background he's got

3414
02:07:52,370 --> 02:07:50,270
security clearance and he's almost like

3415
02:07:54,530 --> 02:07:52,380
Donald Trump if you you know he gets

3416
02:07:57,110 --> 02:07:54,540
excited I remember when he didn't think

3417
02:07:59,300 --> 02:07:57,120
of it with with george knapp where he

3418
02:08:01,850 --> 02:07:59,310
said you know the the the chrysler

3419
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:01,860
program was 1989 they shut it down and

3420
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,930
that can then george knapp says I know

3421
02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:05,280
what the headline is gonna be tomorrow

3422
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:08,130
that's like he gets going and he says

3423
02:08:11,090 --> 02:08:09,090
things he probably shouldn't be saying

3424
02:08:12,410 --> 02:08:11,100
but he's a guy that I think you should

3425
02:08:15,860 --> 02:08:12,420
watch I think he knows an awful lot

3426
02:08:18,620 --> 02:08:15,870
about he's done a lot of digging from my

3427
02:08:19,970 --> 02:08:18,630
experience with him as 2x tried it for

3428
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:19,980
him to explain what the hell happened to

3429
02:08:24,170 --> 02:08:22,290
be in 1991 and he's got the contacts

3430
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:24,180
that you and I may not have to get

3431
02:08:27,800 --> 02:08:25,770
inside and ask questions

3432
02:08:29,930 --> 02:08:27,810
well he's has access to the brightest

3433
02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:29,940
minds and the best of the best I mean no

3434
02:08:35,690 --> 02:08:32,250
one's one of the top in his field for

3435
02:08:38,060 --> 02:08:35,700
genetics okay then you have put off the

3436
02:08:40,100 --> 02:08:38,070
ran Starkey and all this other stuff

3437
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:40,110
that's probably never been Declassified

3438
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:42,330
yet you know and then you have kicked

3439
02:08:48,290 --> 02:08:46,170
green that was in his his his small job

3440
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:48,300
was the weird desk but he actually was

3441
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:50,850
his job was basically analyzing the

3442
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:52,800
Soviet technology where they were and

3443
02:08:56,690 --> 02:08:55,170
technology advances to include the

3444
02:08:58,610 --> 02:08:56,700
degrees he has I don't even know how he

3445
02:09:00,800 --> 02:08:58,620
has all the degrees he has I you know I

3446
02:09:03,140 --> 02:09:00,810
I don't know all the stuff that he's

3447
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:03,150
done in his lifetime so these guys are

3448
02:09:08,270 --> 02:09:05,250
some of the brightest people out there

3449
02:09:10,010 --> 02:09:08,280
but again like I said it's not that I

3450
02:09:12,140 --> 02:09:10,020
think they're terrible people it's just

3451
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:12,150
this don't expect them to sit down with

3452
02:09:17,330 --> 02:09:14,850
you have a cup of coffee in time yeah

3453
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:17,340
getting back to Davis really quick

3454
02:09:23,110 --> 02:09:19,920
not too long after one of his more

3455
02:09:26,420 --> 02:09:23,120
speculative papers on advanced

3456
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:26,430
interstellar space travel came out we

3457
02:09:32,240 --> 02:09:29,520
got a little bit of a review from a guy

3458
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:32,250
named Sean Carroll who's a professor at

3459
02:09:38,510 --> 02:09:35,520
Caltech and he had basically stated that

3460
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:38,520
he basically backed Davis up on the

3461
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:41,250
Science expressed a lot of skepticism in

3462
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:43,650
terms of its feasibility and anybody

3463
02:09:48,500 --> 02:09:46,560
alive now's lifetime but basically you

3464
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:48,510
backed them up on the science do you

3465
02:09:52,250 --> 02:09:49,920
think something like that is it all

3466
02:09:54,980 --> 02:09:52,260
helpful when somebody who's a pretty

3467
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:54,990
mainstream guy does a lot of media

3468
02:09:59,120 --> 02:09:56,730
appearances write books it

3469
02:10:02,660 --> 02:09:59,130
say that type of thing at all helpful we

3470
02:10:04,670 --> 02:10:02,670
have to the public - you have to start

3471
02:10:06,260 --> 02:10:04,680
the slow process of introducing mr. the

3472
02:10:09,590 --> 02:10:06,270
public ok

3473
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:09,600
Azzam getting that and so I think that's

3474
02:10:13,010 --> 02:10:11,010
what they're doing think about the movie

3475
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:13,020
interstellar what what do they talk

3476
02:10:19,010 --> 02:10:15,930
about they talk about it ends up coming

3477
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:19,020
down to quantum physics and at the

3478
02:10:26,900 --> 02:10:21,450
quantum level and it evolves wormholes

3479
02:10:30,260 --> 02:10:26,910
and black holes so yeah we're getting

3480
02:10:32,900 --> 02:10:30,270
bits and pieces of it ok but how much of

3481
02:10:35,780 --> 02:10:32,910
that really has to do with with what is

3482
02:10:38,510 --> 02:10:35,790
it your IP of UFO aliens ETS whatever I

3483
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:38,520
think that's my whole point I think that

3484
02:10:44,240 --> 02:10:41,760
that this all all the stuff that's

3485
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:44,250
coming out in the quantum computing

3486
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:47,010
abilities and advances in space and

3487
02:10:52,690 --> 02:10:50,250
technology are a big deal and and and

3488
02:10:56,210 --> 02:10:52,700
who's doing it but ultimately again

3489
02:11:00,260 --> 02:10:56,220
we're only getting probably a quarter or

3490
02:11:02,150 --> 02:11:00,270
less of of all of it and it's up to us

3491
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:02,160
to try to put it together to make sense

3492
02:11:12,380 --> 02:11:10,530
of it yeah we're working on it well

3493
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:12,390
we've been at this for a little bit more

3494
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:15,450
than two hours now it's a bout time to

3495
02:11:21,890 --> 02:11:18,480
wrap it up here in the east any final

3496
02:11:25,790 --> 02:11:21,900
thoughts from anybody oh I just want to

3497
02:11:29,180 --> 02:11:25,800
say I feel the disclosures not going to

3498
02:11:30,410 --> 02:11:29,190
happen unless what Bigelow says was and

3499
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:30,420
he made this comment

3500
02:11:34,370 --> 02:11:32,070
they eventually whatever we're dealing

3501
02:11:36,110 --> 02:11:34,380
with is going to make itself known okay

3502
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:36,120
yeah then yeah that's when you're gonna

3503
02:11:41,300 --> 02:11:38,850
get disclosure but again all you're

3504
02:11:44,390 --> 02:11:41,310
gonna get is there's something there the

3505
02:11:46,370 --> 02:11:44,400
question is what is it you know what is

3506
02:11:48,170 --> 02:11:46,380
it what are we dealing with

3507
02:11:51,560 --> 02:11:48,180
what are these interactions taking place

3508
02:11:54,110 --> 02:11:51,570
with people and they clearly have an

3509
02:11:56,900 --> 02:11:54,120
interest in the technology so again

3510
02:11:59,720 --> 02:11:56,910
don't expect a lot other the drip drip

3511
02:12:02,720 --> 02:11:59,730
drip and it's something that sit back

3512
02:12:04,670 --> 02:12:02,730
it's like reading a book that's 800

3513
02:12:06,140 --> 02:12:04,680
pages long sit back for the long haul

3514
02:12:08,100 --> 02:12:06,150
cuz this ain't gonna happen overnight

3515
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:08,110
yeah

3516
02:12:15,180 --> 02:12:13,570
thank you guys for the the the panels

3517
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:15,190
that you're putting out I mentioned

3518
02:12:20,580 --> 02:12:17,530
James before that you know I'm getting

3519
02:12:20,939 --> 02:12:20,590
sort of old and John's not a young guy

3520
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:20,949
anymore

3521
02:12:26,250 --> 02:12:23,199
and as always this complaint neither am

3522
02:12:27,689 --> 02:12:26,260
i exactly there's always this complaint

3523
02:12:30,330 --> 02:12:27,699
that there are no young people and I'm

3524
02:12:31,740 --> 02:12:30,340
very impressed with some of the panels

3525
02:12:35,129 --> 02:12:31,750
that you guys have had with these young

3526
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:35,139
guys and in fact at the one point I was

3527
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:36,760
listening to one that he did last week

3528
02:12:40,379 --> 02:12:39,040
or whatever and I'm gone oh my god these

3529
02:12:41,820 --> 02:12:40,389
guys have stuff I haven't heard I mean

3530
02:12:43,649 --> 02:12:41,830
it was like new stuff because almost

3531
02:12:45,899 --> 02:12:43,659
never errs or somebody brings out stuff

3532
02:12:47,220 --> 02:12:45,909
you guys are really on top of this thing

3533
02:12:50,430 --> 02:12:47,230
and these discussions that are taking

3534
02:12:52,229 --> 02:12:50,440
place on these panels and stuff are sort

3535
02:12:54,270 --> 02:12:52,239
of on the leading edge I mean and I was

3536
02:12:56,459 --> 02:12:54,280
started this in 75 it was just simple

3537
02:12:58,080 --> 02:12:56,469
sightings in 75 there was no in-depth

3538
02:12:59,399 --> 02:12:58,090
discussions the discussion we've had

3539
02:13:00,990 --> 02:12:59,409
tonight the ones that you guys are

3540
02:13:03,570 --> 02:13:01,000
having with these young guys who are

3541
02:13:05,729 --> 02:13:03,580
really on the edge of this of this field

3542
02:13:06,959 --> 02:13:05,739
and what's going on and what the

3543
02:13:09,540 --> 02:13:06,969
government is doing and stuff like that

3544
02:13:12,540 --> 02:13:09,550
I just applaud these these young guys

3545
02:13:14,879 --> 02:13:12,550
that they're doing a fantastic job at

3546
02:13:15,870 --> 02:13:14,889
this this whole unraveling what's

3547
02:13:19,020 --> 02:13:15,880
actually going on here

3548
02:13:21,359 --> 02:13:19,030
yeah I appreciate that and I don't

3549
02:13:24,419 --> 02:13:21,369
forget chant we we did break our gender

3550
02:13:26,700 --> 02:13:24,429
barrier so there's a gal in there she's

3551
02:13:30,359 --> 02:13:26,710
going in the right direction - James any

3552
02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:30,369
final thoughts from you I'm glad you

3553
02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:32,050
know thanks so much John and grant for

3554
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:34,210
coming on you know maybe we can do this

3555
02:13:37,790 --> 02:13:35,679
sometime again that's got it's got

3556
02:13:39,870 --> 02:13:37,800
pretty good especially towards the end I

3557
02:13:42,660 --> 02:13:39,880
definitely heard some stuff that I hear

3558
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:42,670
before especially from John and you know

3559
02:13:46,649 --> 02:13:45,010
we got it we got a good spectrum over

3560
02:13:49,740 --> 02:13:46,659
here you know I really appreciate

3561
02:13:54,899 --> 02:13:49,750
everybody's view here you know John

3562
02:13:57,229 --> 02:13:54,909
John's approaches is very unique and and

3563
02:13:59,970 --> 02:13:57,239
so is grant so we get a great mix here

3564
02:14:03,229 --> 02:13:59,980
well look at me this way

3565
02:14:06,959 --> 02:14:03,239
I'm remember the ending scene in contact

3566
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:06,969
yeah where she sat there playing with

3567
02:14:12,030 --> 02:14:09,610
the dirt looking out to the sky yeah

3568
02:14:13,169 --> 02:14:12,040
yeah that's me and I think there's a lot

3569
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:13,179
of other people that are right there

3570
02:14:18,780 --> 02:14:15,850
with me oh absolutely and at the end of

3571
02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:18,790
the day I don't claim to be an expert or

3572
02:14:22,859 --> 02:14:21,609
anything else I'm just a guy

3573
02:14:24,899 --> 02:14:22,869
trying to figure out what the hell

3574
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:24,909
happened to me and it's affected my life

3575
02:14:29,399 --> 02:14:26,530
ever since then and that's all I'm

3576
02:14:31,319 --> 02:14:29,409
really trying to do so yeah that's what

3577
02:14:33,689 --> 02:14:31,329
I'm in it for you know I'm interested in

3578
02:14:35,279 --> 02:14:33,699
a phenomena that's the main thing yeah

3579
02:14:36,419 --> 02:14:35,289
yeah and that's that's where I think we

3580
02:14:39,029 --> 02:14:36,429
got to remember with guys like

3581
02:14:41,729 --> 02:14:39,039
especially green and put off these guys

3582
02:14:43,259 --> 02:14:41,739
are like 80 some years old you can

3583
02:14:45,569 --> 02:14:43,269
imagine what it's been like for them to

3584
02:14:47,069 --> 02:14:45,579
all the years they've done it this sort

3585
02:14:51,239 --> 02:14:47,079
of desperation and try to figure it out

3586
02:14:54,270 --> 02:14:51,249
before you leave we'll figure out the

3587
02:14:58,709 --> 02:14:54,280
afterlife when we get there

3588
02:15:00,509 --> 02:14:58,719
well thanks John and Jim are CBI John

3589
02:15:02,219 --> 02:15:00,519
and Grant sorry about that that we do

3590
02:15:04,619 --> 02:15:02,229
have got Jim Penniston not coming on

3591
02:15:06,569 --> 02:15:04,629
earlier the next early next year so

3592
02:15:08,099 --> 02:15:06,579
that'll be a lot of fun John and grant

3593
02:15:11,069 --> 02:15:08,109
now thanks so very much for joining us

3594
02:15:13,799 --> 02:15:11,079
and that James you know thanks for

3595
02:15:16,219 --> 02:15:13,809
putting this together and is this going

3596
02:15:19,550 --> 02:15:16,229
to be our last show for the year or not

3597
02:15:23,060 --> 02:15:19,560
I don't think so okay

3598
02:15:26,819 --> 02:15:23,070
[Laughter]

3599
02:15:29,819 --> 02:15:26,829
on Sunday okay okay well if we do that

3600
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:29,829
then then that'll be great we'll have

3601
02:15:33,179 --> 02:15:31,570
one more Christmas present for all our

3602
02:15:35,009 --> 02:15:33,189
listeners if not I'm gonna wish

3603
02:15:37,139 --> 02:15:35,019
everybody right now a Merry Christmas

3604
02:15:39,689 --> 02:15:37,149
and a Happy New Year but I might get to

3605
02:15:41,099 --> 02:15:39,699
do it again and you know there's an

3606
02:15:43,859 --> 02:15:41,109
unlimited supply of those to go around

3607
02:15:45,839 --> 02:15:43,869
so I'll do it again next time if we do

3608
02:15:48,089 --> 02:15:45,849
come back on but everybody thanks for

3609
02:15:49,859 --> 02:15:48,099
listening and in the East I know it that

3610
02:15:53,339 --> 02:15:49,869
might be past some of your bedtimes so

3611
02:15:55,049 --> 02:15:53,349
you have a great night and well we'll

3612
02:15:58,079 --> 02:15:55,059
see you next time bye bye thanks guys

3613
02:16:00,810 --> 02:15:58,089
making everybody again Happy Holidays

3614
02:16:03,869 --> 02:16:00,820
take care of buddy yeah all right that

3615
02:16:07,229 --> 02:16:03,879
was awesome that was 2 hours and 15

3616
02:16:09,049 --> 02:16:07,239
minutes and it just blew by oh yeah man

3617
02:16:11,699 --> 02:16:09,059
that was a great discussion - I mean

3618
02:16:15,810 --> 02:16:11,709
yeah I'd never heard about that don't

3619
02:16:18,479 --> 02:16:15,820
experience in detail because once again

3620
02:16:21,479 --> 02:16:18,489
you open up another whole can of worms

3621
02:16:24,209 --> 02:16:21,489
because when you can't explain it

3622
02:16:26,429 --> 02:16:24,219
that's where you're vulnerable John was

3623
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:26,439
that it was that were you with Tyler for

3624
02:16:32,689 --> 02:16:30,010
that was there what was Tyler for that

3625
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:32,699
that's somebody confetti Diana's friend

3626
02:16:37,860 --> 02:16:35,290
yeah no you guys have no idea

3627
02:16:41,010 --> 02:16:37,870
this person is okay fair enough oh no

3628
02:16:42,570 --> 02:16:41,020
I'm rude I'm being straight I'm yeah I

3629
02:16:45,540 --> 02:16:42,580
just wanted to ask that because I know

3630
02:16:48,299 --> 02:16:45,550
you said I think you mentioned something

3631
02:16:50,280 --> 02:16:48,309
about the doorman before Tyler no I just

3632
02:16:52,020 --> 02:16:50,290
said that I've had there's weird stuff

3633
02:16:54,930 --> 02:16:52,030
that goes on up there and stuff and

3634
02:16:57,930 --> 02:16:54,940
there is Sedona is there's something to

3635
02:16:59,700 --> 02:16:57,940
Sedona oh yeah John I'm telling you we

3636
02:17:01,320 --> 02:16:59,710
got to go out there I want to go out

3637
02:17:03,650 --> 02:17:01,330
there with you because you know doing

3638
02:17:05,790 --> 02:17:03,660
the engaging the phenomenon project oh

3639
02:17:07,169 --> 02:17:05,800
I'm watching that next year and that's

3640
02:17:08,879 --> 02:17:07,179
dealing with stuff like that because I

3641
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:08,889
had similar experiences where you like

3642
02:17:12,720 --> 02:17:11,170
recalled and there's stuff all over you

3643
02:17:15,330 --> 02:17:12,730
know I had that I had objective

3644
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:15,340
witnesses would and it's a it's just

3645
02:17:18,780 --> 02:17:17,650
incredible you know and again yeah once

3646
02:17:20,430 --> 02:17:18,790
you get involved with something like

3647
02:17:21,290 --> 02:17:20,440
that it's you know there's no turning

3648
02:17:23,820 --> 02:17:21,300
back

3649
02:17:26,760 --> 02:17:23,830
well I think this is stuff near you

3650
02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:26,770
right James the Hudson Valley you all

3651
02:17:31,140 --> 02:17:29,650
this happened to me that well this

3652
02:17:36,450 --> 02:17:31,150
particular experience that I'm talking

3653
02:17:41,850 --> 02:17:36,460
about happened in 2012-2013 you haven't

3654
02:17:44,850 --> 02:17:41,860
where great my backyard yeah yeah yeah

3655
02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:44,860
and you know that's kind of a weird

3656
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:46,570
place to buy a lot of accounts

3657
02:17:52,290 --> 02:17:49,330
well absolutely yet is the Hudson Valley

3658
02:17:54,260 --> 02:17:52,300
is is known for kind of weird you know

3659
02:17:58,049 --> 02:17:54,270
things since Native American land and

3660
02:17:59,790 --> 02:17:58,059
yeah that's um that I'll tell you right

3661
02:18:00,720 --> 02:17:59,800
now there's something to this whole

3662
02:18:03,419 --> 02:18:00,730
native things

3663
02:18:05,879 --> 02:18:03,429
yeah I don't have a figured it out yet

3664
02:18:09,720 --> 02:18:05,889
myself totally but there's something to

3665
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:09,730
these areas you know in the native part

3666
02:18:14,820 --> 02:18:12,130
of it and everything else and in certain

3667
02:18:16,740 --> 02:18:14,830
areas like what is it Dulce they have

3668
02:18:18,990 --> 02:18:16,750
stuff going on up there you know you

3669
02:18:20,910 --> 02:18:19,000
have different areas where there are

3670
02:18:23,010 --> 02:18:20,920
burial grounds and and all this other

3671
02:18:24,600 --> 02:18:23,020
stuff there is something that some of

3672
02:18:27,570 --> 02:18:24,610
this and and just even skinwalker ranch